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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 10:01:13
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Am 07.01.2011 09:41, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> "Dave Blandston"<nomail@nomail>  schreef in bericht
> news:web.4d259ddb8d4ff9375f9997c70@news.povray.org...
> There's a company in New York
>> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek
>> swords.
>> http://www.sadighgallery.com/
>
> Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are
> they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how
> they got hold of them....

"Best Sellers
     ...
     Crucifiction Nails"

Now why on earth does /that/ sound strangely familiar... :-P


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 7 Jan 2011 17:13:31
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> "Thomas de Groot"<tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet>  schreef in bericht
> news:4d26cc33@news.povray.org...
>> It is supposed to be an iron sword.
>
> What am I thinking about!?!?  I mean *bronze* of course....
>
> Thomas
>
>

At the time, bronze swords where often beter that iron ones: iron swords 
tended to bend and fold under use. It can be a real problem during a battle.

The Romans used that willfully with ther pilums: They had a stout, 
heavy, wooden shaft fitted with a long soft iron head. They trusted then 
into the shields of ther oponent and droped it, switching to ther 
swords. The iron shaft will then bend and weight down the shield 
rendering it's use very difficult, or even impossible. The legionair 
could now simply attack over the now lowered shield with devastating 
results.




Alain


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 8 Jan 2011 03:02:38
Message: <4d281a1e$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht 
news:4d272ab9$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Best Sellers
>     ...
>     Crucifiction Nails"
>
> Now why on earth does /that/ sound strangely familiar... :-P

LOL!  Yeah, you are right! They just got the complete toolbox and are 
selling peacemeal.... :-)

Thomas


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From: Dave Blandston
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 9 Jan 2011 11:05:01
Message: <web.4d29dbd68d4ff9371df6284f0@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are
> they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how
> they got hold of them....
>
> Thomas

The company claims to sell authentic pieces (some items are priced in the tens
of thousands of dollars). The items I bought appeared so authentic that the
effort to construct such high quality fakes would have made them even more
expensive than originals. I believe they are actual artifacts. I've seen
numerous museum pieces to compare them to as well. At one time when I was
attending college the Ramses exhibit was on display in a building within walking
distance from my dormitory and I saw it several times.

Regards,
Dave Blandston


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Greek sword
Date: 10 Jan 2011 03:01:58
Message: <4d2abcf6$1@news.povray.org>
"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4d29dbd68d4ff9371df6284f0@news.povray.org...
> The company claims to sell authentic pieces (some items are priced in the 
> tens
> of thousands of dollars). The items I bought appeared so authentic that 
> the
> effort to construct such high quality fakes would have made them even more
> expensive than originals. I believe they are actual artifacts. I've seen
> numerous museum pieces to compare them to as well. At one time when I was
> attending college the Ramses exhibit was on display in a building within 
> walking
> distance from my dormitory and I saw it several times.
>

Hmm... Well-made forgeries are (almost) undistinguishable from the real 
stuff, and many even end up in museums as genuine ones. There is a whole 
industry that has developed around their production. If, as the company 
claims, the pieces (or some of them) are authentic, the question is how they 
got hold of them. Most countries (e.g. Greece, Italy, Egypt) have very 
severe laws agains the export and reselling of archeologica. Enforcement of 
the law is another matter, but I would not recommend to try it. So, black 
market comes to mind... It would be much better if the company claimed to 
sell high quality copies imo.

What I mean is: don't believe at first sight. Especially in the higer prize 
range. ;-)

Thomas


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