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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 13 Aug 2009 03:54:27
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"Mike Raiford" <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> schreef in bericht 
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> Creature I created in Spore and exported, then applied a glass texture.
>

Nice, but... too much focal blur for my taste... in fact, there remains very 
little to focus on  ;-)  Imo, focal blur should be used to separate the 
object from the background, not to blur the object itself.

Thomas


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 13 Aug 2009 12:13:53
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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> 
> Nice, but... too much focal blur for my taste... in fact, there remains very 
> little to focus on  ;-)  Imo, focal blur should be used to separate the 
> object from the background, not to blur the object itself.
> 
> Thomas
> 

Yes. I was going for giving a hint of scale, since usually an image of 
something will have a thinner DOF depending on scale.

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~Mike


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 13 Aug 2009 14:57:44
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Mike Raiford schrieb:
> Yes. I was going for giving a hint of scale, since usually an image of 
> something will have a thinner DOF depending on scale.

Don't listen to Tom - I think the DOF was perfect ;-)


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 02:57:13
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht 
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>
> Don't listen to Tom - I think the DOF was perfect ;-)

Don't listen to Christoph - I think it was not :-)

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 04:09:08
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Thomas de Groot schrieb:
> "clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht 
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>> Don't listen to Tom - I think the DOF was perfect ;-)
> 
> Don't listen to Christoph - I think it was not :-)

LOL!

You got that, Mike? Don't listen to either of us - make up your own mind 
  :-P


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 04:50:08
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht 
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> LOL!
>
> You got that, Mike? Don't listen to either of us - make up your own mind 
> :-P


<very wide grin>


Thomas


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 06:08:07
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Nice, but... too much focal blur for my taste... in fact, there remains very 
> little to focus on  ;-)  Imo, focal blur should be used to separate the 
> object from the background, not to blur the object itself.

  IMO the image would lose most of its appeal and artistic feeling
without the focal blur. In other words, the image would be rather
*boring* without the ingenious blurring. I think the blurring is spot-on.

  Rather curiously, the blurring makes it look like there *is* some kind
of background in there (it's just completely blurred out). Without the
blurring it would just look like an object on a completely empty white
background.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 10:56:24
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> schreef in bericht 
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>  IMO the image would lose most of its appeal and artistic feeling
> without the focal blur. In other words, the image would be rather
> *boring* without the ingenious blurring. I think the blurring is spot-on.
>
>  Rather curiously, the blurring makes it look like there *is* some kind
> of background in there (it's just completely blurred out). Without the
> blurring it would just look like an object on a completely empty white
> background.

...which shows how differently people can see the same scene. Which is 
allright of course.

I have said it earlier in these ng's: I am not really enthousiastic about 
focal blur in general, whether in ray tracing or (more especially) in 
photography. I still think one should use it very carefully and with a very 
light touch indeed.

Thomas


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 12:53:53
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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> I have said it earlier in these ng's: I am not really enthousiastic about 
> focal blur in general, whether in ray tracing or (more especially) in 
> photography. I still think one should use it very carefully and with a very 
> light touch indeed.

Sometimes, in photography, especially when taking macro shots, you don't 
have much choice, either no picture or a razor thin DOF.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2125/2089456023_0c64233baf_o.jpg

and other times, focal blur is used for artistic effect

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/2090316034_fb62145001_o.jpg
-- 
~Mike


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Having fun ...
Date: 14 Aug 2009 19:26:57
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Thomas de Groot schrieb:
> I have said it earlier in these ng's: I am not really enthousiastic about 
> focal blur in general, whether in ray tracing or (more especially) in 
> photography. I still think one should use it very carefully and with a very 
> light touch indeed.

I do agree with Mike that it is a very good (and important!) vehicle to 
give a sense of scale. Especially when trying to convey that something 
is particularly /small/, it does wonders.

Look at these shots for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-shift_miniature_faking


On the other hand this of course implies that with shots indended to 
convey large scale, focal blur should be used sparingly indeed.

Still, I really don't like shots /without/ any focal blur. Aside from 
giving a sense of scale, it also gives a sense of depth, and helps add 
emphasis to some elements of the image (by literally putting them in 
focus), so you lose a lot if you don't use at least some subtle focal blur.


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