Hi Tor

Yes those are the rocks. I'm suprised how green your photos are. The rock is
very red/brown and though Ranshaw does have a lot of green lichen, I never
thought is was quite so overpowering.

Mick

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I'm into sunsets at the moment :-)

I love the mountains, open spaces and the sea. They mean more to me than
almost any other aspect of my life (only my wife,children art mean more)

Strangely I cannot make a convincing interior scene.....

Mick

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go on the Jim, you've got me intrigued...

jim

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> Just up the road from me!

Really? I somehow had the impression you lived down south somewhere - from
your images I'd guessed at the Cottswolds maybe.

jim

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Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> Hi Tor
> 
> Yes those are the rocks. I'm suprised how green your photos are. The rock is
> very red/brown and though Ranshaw does have a lot of green lichen, I never
> thought is was quite so overpowering.

You are probably right about this.

I think that I have a problem with my scanning software.

First: These photos were shot on Fuji Velvia slides film,
which gives quite saturated colors.

Second: I do not have a color-calibrated monitor.
(It's a Fujitsu x191, which came with a color profile.
But when I use this color profile, the colors seems
bad in all programs. I'm not able find out if it is
Windows itself or the image editor programs that are
supposed to read this color profile and apply
corrections according to it.)

Third: I don't think that have an image editor program
that are able to read the embedded color profile for my
scanner that the Nikon scanning software embeds into the
TIF-file. (I'm using Photoshop LE)

Fourth: When viewing the photos in Internet Explorer, the
colors looks different than in PS LE.

So I find this color problem quite difficult to solve.

I should probably buy a full version of Photoshop (that's
expensive !) or wait for the Gimp v2 for Linux.

And I would also need to buy monitor calibration tools
(hardware). - That's expensive too !

If I could afford to go all the way, I would buy some
Kodak reference slides and software to build a color
profile for my specific scanner.

(But then; if people just used Internet Explorer to watch
my images, I wouldn't have come much further.)


In order to try to get a more correct result I have done
a little experiment:

I set my scanner to use a special scanning mode;
ROC (Reconstruction Of Color), which is meant for old
and/or damaged films (e.g. with strong color tints).

If the colors on a film is ok, then this mode usually
gives odd colors. (But sometimes it "fixes" colors in a
wonderful way.)

The result can be seen in the file Image2_ROC.jpg
When I compare this to the slide (lying on a good light
table), the colors look too bleak and too brownish.

When I now study the Image2.jpg image, that I uploaded
first, I see that it has too high contrast and that it
is a bit more green than the slide.

As a last attempt to get more correct colors I tried
to blend together two images of the same slide. (One
with ROC on and another with ROC off.)

The result in the file Image2_mix.jpg is my best shot
so far at getting colors that are close to those in
the slide.


Now Mick: How does this image compare to your memory
of the rocks ?


Tor Olav

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ingo wrote:
> in news:401e6475$1@news.povray.org Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Is the winking man amongst these rocks ?
>>
> 
> 
> If I remeber well this is the rockformation that also had the winking man. 
> We where there on the day we also bought the Wallice and Grommit cheese.

:)

That Wensleydale cheese looked better than it tasted.

(IIRC this was the first Wensleydale cheese I ever tasted, so
maybe I just don't like Wensleydale cheese.) - But the other
cheeses that I bought were wery tasty !


> Do you also have the pictures where Mick did his spiderman trick and 
> climbed a vertical rock wall. It was the same day we photographed the cows 
> for Gilles. For some reason I can't find my pictures.

It's a pity you can't find your pictures Ingo.

I'll go through my slides and see if I can find "Spiderman Mick"
or some of Gilles' cows.

=)


Tor Olav

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James Taylor wrote:
> go on the Jim, you've got me intrigued...
> 
> jim
> 
> 
Oh no big deal, it was just helpful to see a pic of the actual rocks 
relative to the raytracing.

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:21:34 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen 
<tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote:
> Second: I do not have a color-calibrated monitor.
> (It's a Fujitsu x191, which came with a color profile.
> But when I use this color profile, the colors seems
> bad in all programs. I'm not able find out if it is
> Windows itself or the image editor programs that are
> supposed to read this color profile and apply
> corrections according to it.)

I had a similar problem once. In my case it was caused by a faulty monitor 
calibration file (.inf). The default one supplied with Windows was bad, 
and PhotoShop would even tell me so. For me, the symptoms were very 
obvious: any color-management-aware program would show what was supposed 
to be clear white as a light yellow. The solution for me was to download a 
new calibration file from the monitor manufacturer (in my case Adi), and 
install that. I don't know about Fujitsu, but one would assume that they 
also provide such things for download.

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Image2 is closest but still too cold - the grass gives it away - it's still
too green.

I'm on a course today but tomorrow I'll scan some photos I took and put
those up.

Mick

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Just north of Stoke on Trent - plaqce called Cheddleton. I'm about 11/2 hrs
away

Mick

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