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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 05:57:59
Message: <3a62d7b7@news.povray.org>
> yesterday, I started a POVMan shader to do an insect "shell" (not sure
> of the word).
> here is the first result.
> it needs more work to find the right colours and to make the surface
> finish more realistic.

All I saw was a solid black sphere - had to open it up and play with the
gamma to see anything :)

would it not be possible to achieve this effect in povray using the pillow
normal?


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From: gemelli david
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 06:08:15
Message: <3A62DA88.A5E3BDD5@xlstudio.com>
> All I saw was a solid black sphere - had to open it up and play with the
> gamma to see anything :)
>

yes, it's dark but on my computer, it is good...

>
> would it not be possible to achieve this effect in povray using the pillow
> normal?
>

I don't know "pillow normal"


          David


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:10:54
Message: <3a6304ee@news.povray.org>
> > would it not be possible to achieve this effect in povray using the
pillow
> > normal?
> I don't know "pillow normal"

i ment quilted :)

#declare Material1 =
   material  // Material1
   {
      texture
      {
         pigment
         {
            quilted
            control0 0.2
            control1 0.2
            color_map
            {
               [ 0.0     rgbft <0.583333, 1.0, 0.583333, 0.0, 0.0> ]
               [ 0.5     rgbft <0.291667, 0.739567, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0> ]
               [ 1.0     rgbft <0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0> ]
            }
            scale  0.2
         }
         normal
         {
            quilted , 0.548
            control0 0.2
            control1 0.2
            scale  0.2
         }
         finish
         {
            ambient 0.172633
            diffuse 0.2158
            brilliance 1.729
            phong 1.0
            phong_size 17.216667
            specular 0.3453
            roughness 0.060133
            metallic 1.0
         }
      }
   }


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From: gemelli david
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:31:49
Message: <3A630A3C.C24FC647@xlstudio.com>
> i ment quilted :)
>

ok !
but, the effect I want is a surface wich color changes with the incident
light !!
in my picture (I know, it's only a picture, an animation is in progress...)
the green tint is dependant of the light source direction.

as I said, I have to work on it to get the right colours and finish but,
the "spirit" is here !

      David


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:01:59
Message: <chrishuff-E18E98.11032015012001@news.povray.org>
In article <3A62BC0D.C65F3E08@xlstudio.com>, gemelli david 
<d.g### [at] xlstudiocom> wrote:

> yesterday, I started a POVMan shader to do an insect "shell" (not sure
> of the word).

"Exoskeleton", but people will look at you funny if you use words like 
that too much... ;-)


> 2 questions:
> - I'm not sure of my shader version of the "metallic" keyword... I
> multiplied the specular by the surface colour...Am I right ?

That seems to be an approximation...looking at the source code, POV 
seems to use some kind of Fresnel function for textures using 
"metallic". This is for both phong and specular...and apparently phong 
and specular are the only things affected by metallic, and the 
calculations do use the surface color, though it is more complex than a 
simple multiplication.


> - I'm using little spheres to do the big sphere. When I increase the
> radius of the spheres, the rendering time increase a lot ! Is it normal
> ?

When the spheres overlap more, POV has to solve for more spheres to get 
the one that is in front of the others. If you have 4 spheres 
overlapping in an area, all 4 will have to be computed to render that 
area. When you increase the radius of the small spheres, you increase 
the average number of spheres per pixel, and POV has to do more work to 
render the image.

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From: gemelli david
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:17:45
Message: <3A63230F.EDB180D@xlstudio.com>
> "Exoskeleton", but people will look at you funny if you use words like
> that too much... ;-)
>

yes, right !

> That seems to be an approximation...looking at the source code, POV
> seems to use some kind of Fresnel function for textures using
> "metallic". This is for both phong and specular...and apparently phong
> and specular are the only things affected by metallic, and the
> calculations do use the surface color, though it is more complex than a
> simple multiplication.
>

ok, I'll play with it just to get the effect I want, if it is too


> When the spheres overlap more, POV has to solve for more spheres to get
> the one that is in front of the others. If you have 4 spheres
> overlapping in an area, all 4 will have to be computed to render that
> area. When you increase the radius of the small spheres, you increase
> the average number of spheres per pixel, and POV has to do more work to
> render the image.
>

ok, thanks for this precision !

         David


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From: Andy Cocker
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:23:15
Message: <3a634013@news.povray.org>
"gemelli david" <d.g### [at] xlstudiocom> wrote in message
news:3A62BC0D.C65F3E08@xlstudio.com...
> yesterday, I started a POVMan shader to do an insect "shell" (not sure
> of the word).

Carapace?

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From: Jamie Davison
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:57:53
Message: <MPG.14cd63273a94a708989869@news.povray.org>
> > yesterday, I started a POVMan shader to do an insect "shell" (not sure
> > of the word).
> 
> "Exoskeleton", but people will look at you funny if you use words like 
> that too much... ;-)

Or possibly Carapace.

I assume you're aiming for something like the wing cases off an 
iridescent beetle?  If so, good luck, and I hope you get the results 
you're after, because I've never really managed to get a good 
approximation using the iridescence feature of POV 3.1.

Bye for now,
     Jamie.


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:29:26
Message: <chrishuff-D41868.16304615012001@news.povray.org>
In article <MPG.14cd63273a94a708989869@news.povray.org>, 
jam### [at] dh70qdu-netcom (Jamie Davison) wrote:

> > "Exoskeleton", but people will look at you funny if you use words like 
> > that too much... ;-)
> 
> Or possibly Carapace.

Carapace is another word for it, but I've mostly seen it used to refer 
to creatures like crabs or lobsters. I'm not an entomologist, though...

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From: Jamie Davison
Subject: Re: insect shader (50ko bu)
Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:54:02
Message: <MPG.14cec062c79e7a4c98986c@news.povray.org>
> > > "Exoskeleton", but people will look at you funny if you use words like 
> > > that too much... ;-)
> > 
> > Or possibly Carapace.
> 
> Carapace is another word for it, but I've mostly seen it used to refer 
> to creatures like crabs or lobsters. I'm not an entomologist, though...

To be specific, the carapace is 'the shieldlike exoskeletal plate that 
covers at least part of the anterior dorsal surface of many arthropods.'

Do you think using words like that will get people looking at me funny? 
<grin>

I suggested it because the iridescent effect he seems to be aiming for is 
usually most visible on the abdomens of beetles, some cockroaches, etc. 
(i.e. the anterior dorsal surface :)

Ths ends the invertebrate biology lesson for the day <grin>

Bye for now,
     Jamie.


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