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From: Kari Kivisalo
Subject: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 5 Sep 2000 21:16:30
Message: <39B59C0C.214FCF2@kivisalo.net>
Source in bin.source

Not to my surprise MP produced good images when supplied with physically
correct data. Sun color temp. 5400K. Sky color temp. 15000K to 18000K.
Sun/sky energy ratio 9 for clear sky. Notice the gamma 1.0 again.
Image white point 6500K, gamma 2.2.

Because pov doesn't support compression of dynamic range I used slightly
lower diffuse values to prevent burning.

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 5 Sep 2000 22:54:18
Message: <39B5B0FA.7E4D6774@faricy.net>
Kari Kivisalo wrote:

> Not to my surprise MP produced good images when supplied with physically
> correct data. Sun color temp. 5400K. Sky color temp. 15000K to 18000K.
> Sun/sky energy ratio 9 for clear sky. Notice the gamma 1.0 again.
> Image white point 6500K, gamma 2.2.

Yup, all sounds about right, looks fine.
Ugh, this is the problem with amateur computer graphics, all these gammas and
color temps and everyone's monitor looks different! By amateur I don't mean
lower quality, but lacking professional equipment.
BTW my display is set around 9000k for pure white I guesstimate...
Temp  R   G   B
9300  83  83  72
Mine  85  82  72
6500  91  79  61
5000 100  77  49

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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 5 Sep 2000 23:07:19
Message: <39B5B4EA.B53FEAD0@home.com>
I have my monitor set to 6500K

David Fontaine wrote:

> Kari Kivisalo wrote:
>
> > Not to my surprise MP produced good images when supplied with physically
> > correct data. Sun color temp. 5400K. Sky color temp. 15000K to 18000K.
> > Sun/sky energy ratio 9 for clear sky. Notice the gamma 1.0 again.
> > Image white point 6500K, gamma 2.2.
>
> Yup, all sounds about right, looks fine.
> Ugh, this is the problem with amateur computer graphics, all these gammas and
> color temps and everyone's monitor looks different! By amateur I don't mean
> lower quality, but lacking professional equipment.
> BTW my display is set around 9000k for pure white I guesstimate...
> Temp  R   G   B
> 9300  83  83  72
> Mine  85  82  72
> 6500  91  79  61
> 5000 100  77  49
>
> --
> David Fontaine   <dav### [at] faricynet>   ICQ 55354965
> Please visit my website:  http://davidf.faricy.net/


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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 5 Sep 2000 23:16:18
Message: <39b5b702@news.povray.org>
> BTW my display is set around 9000k for pure white I guesstimate...

Mine's at 10000k, with R, G and B at 100. Is that good? (Yes, my monitor can
light my entire room quite well.)


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 00:13:30
Message: <39B5C409.4E8653E4@pacbell.net>
Kari Kivisalo wrote:
> 
> Source in bin.source

Could you please post rbox.inc ? I wanted to try something with
your source but couldn't run it without the include file.

Thanks,

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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 01:13:02
Message: <39b5d25e@news.povray.org>
My monitor doesn't have any way of setting the color temperature.  Is there
some way of finding out what the color temperature is?

Mark


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 04:05:03
Message: <39B5FAE5.8CFF58B9@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de>
Kari Kivisalo wrote:
> 
> Source in bin.source
> 
> Not to my surprise MP produced good images when supplied with physically
> correct data. Sun color temp. 5400K. Sky color temp. 15000K to 18000K.
> Sun/sky energy ratio 9 for clear sky. Notice the gamma 1.0 again.
> Image white point 6500K, gamma 2.2.
> 
> Because pov doesn't support compression of dynamic range I used slightly
> lower diffuse values to prevent burning.
> 

looks quite good but it is a bit simplified.  If there is *no* dust in the
atmosphere, the color of the sky depends on the angle to the sun.  In fact there
is alway some dust and therefore the sky's color (temperature) is a function of
the angle to the sun and horizon.  Furthermore the sun's own color is also
influenced by dust. 

Christoph

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From: MikeH
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 07:01:14
Message: <39B623D4.95D9D6A@aol.com>
6500K is typically thought of as being pure white.   'Whiteness' is a subjective
thing, but since we began our existance in the wild and are diurnal by nature,
the color of the sky combined with the color of the sun at noon with an
unobstructed view of the sky would make a good basis for our perception for white
- which happens to be around 6500K.


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 11:53:17
Message: <8FA7B1989seed7@204.213.191.228>
Mark Wagner wrote:

>My monitor doesn't have any way of setting the color temperature.  Is
>there some way of finding out what the color temperature is?
>
You can measure it. A professional photographer who does colour work may 
have the right equipment.

Ingo

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From: Kari Kivisalo
Subject: Re: Physically correct radiosity
Date: 6 Sep 2000 14:51:24
Message: <39B6934F.DAFDEE9E@kivisalo.net>
Ken wrote:
>
> Could you please post rbox.inc ?

It's just a rounded box macro. My sources and net connection
are currently physically separated so try this:

    box{-0.5,0.5 scale<bw,bh,bw> translate bh/2*y}
    box{-0.5,0.5 scale<bw,bh,bw> translate (ht-bh/2)*y}

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