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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 00:02:10
Message: <3998BEC1.34944DA1@faricy.net>
Kevin Jackson-Mead wrote:

> Greetings everyone.
>
> I am new to POV and to raytracing, and it's been a while since I've
> posted anything to a newsgroup (and first time posting using Netscape's
> news thing), so please excuse any screw-ups.  Attached is a little
> object I made that was inspired by the cover art of Douglas R.
> Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid".  As
> far as I know, he invented them for his book (according to what he says
> about it, anyway).  He took a piece of wood and sawed the appropriate
> bits.  Neat idea and a wonderful book, if anyone is looking for
> something to read.

Welcome! As has been mentioned, a while back a lot of people were making
these. They're easy to make in POV, but look fairly hard to make in real
life...

> Anyway, I was thinking of trying to come up with a macro to make
> trip-lets out of any three letters, and I was wondering if something
> like that already exists.  I imagine not, but I thought I'd ask first.
> I doubt it would be a very useful macro, but I'm planning on using it to
> teach myself how to do them.

The experience is valuable rather or not the macro is. If you want to learn
some advanced POVing, just sit on your ass for twelve hours a day coding
scenes and ignore any RL annoyances...

> Comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated (otherwise I
> wouldn't be posting, I guess.)

Hmm... the way the box is lighted, it's hard to tell where edges are. How
'bout instead of a red box and colored planes, a white box and white planes
with colored lights? That way the different faces of the box will be diferent
colors.

--
David Fontaine     <dav### [at] faricynet>     ICQ 55354965
Please visit my website: http://www.faricy.net/~davidf/


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 00:12:26
Message: <ojghpssu3qcbbdu0t8c9nub6hoov6krknu@4ax.com>
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:04:30 -0400, Kevin Jackson-Mead
<jac### [at] mindspringcom> wrote:

>Comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated (otherwise I
>wouldn't be posting, I guess.)

Kevin,
this is an awesome start! I remember that back then when Eric Freeman
posted about a million pictures exploring this concept, I couldln't
for the life of me do one of these. I am not sure I can now either. If
somebody cares to explain, though...

I think you should definitely look for Eric's stuff, I remember him
doing a few with Gothic-style letters (which should be quite hard,
right?)


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 01:23:43
Message: <3998d3df@news.povray.org>
Ken wrote in message <39987325.317C92FA@pacbell.net>...

>To the best of my knowledge there is no publically available archive
>of these groups available. I "think" news admin has a back up of the
>server somewhere but I don't know for sure.


Thanks for the info Ken.
I "hope" there is a back up somewhere.

Peter Warren
Proud user of PovRay since 1996


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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 02:31:50
Message: <3998E562.24527F86@pobox.com>
Here is something similar that I did a few years ago for the cover of a
zine (APA-L #1743, if you couldn't guess!).  Intersection of two text
objects.

This one is simply shiny, but for the actual covers I rendered about 42
different versions with different refraction values (0<ior<1) for the
Object.

-- 
Anton Sherwood  --  br0### [at] p0b0xcom  --  http://ogre.nu/


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 02:34:55
Message: <3998e48f$1@news.povray.org>
"Kevin Jackson-Mead" <jac### [at] mindspringcom> wrote in message
news:399842BE.315C01E1@mindspring.com...
| Greetings everyone.

Hello back.
This is a very intriguing image/ray trace.  Now I want to do my initials!
:-)
I don't remember anything like this being shown around here before, I see
though others say a similar has so I must have missed it or it's been too
long ago or my mind is going.
A macro to do this could be useful for logos.
It shouldn't be difficult at all (so I'll try it myself too).

Bob


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 02:42:54
Message: <3998E60E.BA30C1FB@pacbell.net>
Anton Sherwood wrote:
> 
> Here is something similar that I did a few years ago for the cover of a
> zine (APA-L #1743, if you couldn't guess!).  Intersection of two text
> objects.

I remember this one but I seem to recall a different color scheme.

-- 
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From: Mike Williams
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 03:26:32
Message: <75LVDHAy2Lm5EwYY@econym.demon.co.uk>
Wasn't it Kevin Jackson-Mead who wrote:
>Greetings everyone.
>
>I am new to POV and to raytracing, and it's been a while since I've
>posted anything to a newsgroup (and first time posting using Netscape's
>news thing), so please excuse any screw-ups.  Attached is a little
>object I made that was inspired by the cover art of Douglas R.
>Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid".  As
>far as I know, he invented them for his book (according to what he says
>about it, anyway).  He took a piece of wood and sawed the appropriate
>bits.  Neat idea and a wonderful book, if anyone is looking for
>something to read.
>
>Anyway, I was thinking of trying to come up with a macro to make
>trip-lets out of any three letters, and I was wondering if something
>like that already exists.  I imagine not, but I thought I'd ask first.
>I doubt it would be a very useful macro, but I'm planning on using it to
>teach myself how to do them.
>
>Comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated (otherwise I
>wouldn't be posting, I guess.)
>
>Kevin Jackson-Mead
>
>[ A MIME image / png part was included here. ]
>

Do you mean to do something like

intersection {
  text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "G", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
         scale <4,2.4,1>}
  text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "E", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
         scale <4,2.4,1> rotate y*90}
  text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "B", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
         scale <4,2.4,1> rotate x*90}
  pigment {rgb 1}
}

(where the translations and scales would be adjusted for the particular
font, so that the letters just about fit within box {-1,1}), or are you
building the thing from CSG?

-- 
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure


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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 04:25:30
Message: <39990015.D28F2B31@pobox.com>
> > Here is something similar that I did a few years ago .... 
> > Intersection of two text objects.

Ken wrote:
> I remember this one but I seem to recall a different color scheme.

How gratifying to be remembered.

I posted an early version (in a different typeface and, iirc, with a
much lower viewpoint), in which each of the component text objects had a
solid color, so the intersection had just two colors: green and orange? 
Also tried wood and stone; can't recall whether I posted any of those.

In the final version(s), all the light is reflections of the sky. 
(Since it's for a scifi club, I put a yellow sun and a red sun on
opposite horizons.)

-- 
Anton Sherwood  --  br0### [at] p0b0xcom  --  http://ogre.nu/


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From: Kevin Jackson-Mead
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 07:30:28
Message: <39992974.99E4A2E7@mindspring.com>
Mike Williams wrote:

> <snip my stuff>
>
> Do you mean to do something like
>
> intersection {
>   text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "G", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
>          scale <4,2.4,1>}
>   text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "E", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
>          scale <4,2.4,1> rotate y*90}
>   text { ttf "faktos.ttf", "B", 2, 0 translate <-0.25,-0.36,-1>
>          scale <4,2.4,1> rotate x*90}
>   pigment {rgb 1}
> }
>
> (where the translations and scales would be adjusted for the particular
> font, so that the letters just about fit within box {-1,1}), or are you
> building the thing from CSG?
>

I didn't even think of using text objects for it.  That's kind of neat.
However, I did it basically how Hofstadter did it, starting with a cube and
removing bits from it.

Kevin Jackson-Mead

>
> --
> Mike Williams
> Gentleman of Leisure


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From: Kevin Jackson-Mead
Subject: Re: Trip-let (8k)
Date: 15 Aug 2000 07:37:55
Message: <39992B1D.A2278A95@mindspring.com>
Here's the scene, a little bigger, with the changes you suggested.  I also took
out the other light source, so that the spotlights are the only light.  I really
like this one.  Thanks for the suggestion, David.

Kevin Jackson-Mead

David Fontaine wrote:

> Kevin Jackson-Mead wrote:
>
> > Greetings everyone.
> >
> > I am new to POV and to raytracing, and it's been a while since I've
> > posted anything to a newsgroup (and first time posting using Netscape's
> > news thing), so please excuse any screw-ups.  Attached is a little
> > object I made that was inspired by the cover art of Douglas R.
> > Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid".  As
> > far as I know, he invented them for his book (according to what he says
> > about it, anyway).  He took a piece of wood and sawed the appropriate
> > bits.  Neat idea and a wonderful book, if anyone is looking for
> > something to read.
>
> Welcome! As has been mentioned, a while back a lot of people were making
> these. They're easy to make in POV, but look fairly hard to make in real
> life...
>
> > Anyway, I was thinking of trying to come up with a macro to make
> > trip-lets out of any three letters, and I was wondering if something
> > like that already exists.  I imagine not, but I thought I'd ask first.
> > I doubt it would be a very useful macro, but I'm planning on using it to
> > teach myself how to do them.
>
> The experience is valuable rather or not the macro is. If you want to learn
> some advanced POVing, just sit on your ass for twelve hours a day coding
> scenes and ignore any RL annoyances...
>
> > Comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated (otherwise I
> > wouldn't be posting, I guess.)
>
> Hmm... the way the box is lighted, it's hard to tell where edges are. How
> 'bout instead of a red box and colored planes, a white box and white planes
> with colored lights? That way the different faces of the box will be diferent
> colors.
>
> --
> David Fontaine     <dav### [at] faricynet>     ICQ 55354965
> Please visit my website: http://www.faricy.net/~davidf/


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