I think it works great! I say enter it anyway. I like it. How did you do
those plants?

Josh

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:

> Hi
>
> The title says it all, I think...
>
> I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
> quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
> and played with one or two new ideas.
>
> Mick
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>  [Image]

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David Wilkinson wrote:

> > Ignore all idiotic comment.
> >
> >A masterpiece
> >
> I agree!
> It's difficult to criticise something so good.  I'm not too sure about the pattern
created
> in the sky, but I can live with it and will learn to love it.

I'd say we as POVers recognize the extrodinairy effort of making that level of detail,
but few
of us criticize as artists. If you didn't know anything about Mick or POV or
raytracing and
just saw it in a gallery, would you still like it? (I would, but I'm just saying.)

think it is good that he is not hesitant to tell someone if he doesn't like their art.

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I agree that not all of the people who post and respond have formal art training, but
we respond
in more than terms of the medium. Sure, we say "That media should be darker" because
we know what
it is because we know (or at least can guess) how certain things were done. We comment
on levels
of detail and realism (or surrealism). Actually, it seems that for more complete
scenes we do
comment on it from artistic points of view.
Now the models that H.E. Day and Jay Raney (to name to two that immediately pop to
mind) post
aren't really artistic images. They're models and we comment on them from that respect
and we
leave the art out because it hasn't entered the picture yet (pardon the pun)

Josh

David Fontaine wrote:

> David Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > > Ignore all idiotic comment.
> > >
> > >A masterpiece
> > >
> > I agree!
> > It's difficult to criticise something so good.  I'm not too sure about the pattern
created
> > in the sky, but I can live with it and will learn to love it.
>
> I'd say we as POVers recognize the extrodinairy effort of making that level of
detail, but few
> of us criticize as artists. If you didn't know anything about Mick or POV or
raytracing and
> just saw it in a gallery, would you still like it? (I would, but I'm just saying.)

> think it is good that he is not hesitant to tell someone if he doesn't like their
art.
>
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Josh English wrote:

> I agree that not all of the people who post and respond have formal art training,
but we respond
> in more than terms of the medium. Sure, we say "That media should be darker" because
we know what
> it is because we know (or at least can guess) how certain things were done. We
comment on levels
> of detail and realism (or surrealism). Actually, it seems that for more complete
scenes we do
> comment on it from artistic points of view.
> Now the models that H.E. Day and Jay Raney (to name to two that immediately pop to
mind) post
> aren't really artistic images. They're models and we comment on them from that
respect and we
> leave the art out because it hasn't entered the picture yet (pardon the pun)

I agree that some of us do respond artistically. But David (the *other* David) said
it's "hard to
criticize something so good." Good modelling, good texturing, good camera work,
whatever, does not
neccessarily make it good art to everyone who views it. Peter just right out called
any criticizism
"idiotic". Now obviously any CG expert can come along and say "Great work!", because
it is, but leave
people to their own artistic interpretations.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:32:28 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote:

>I agree that some of us do respond artistically. But David (the *other* David) said
it's "hard to
>criticize something so good." Good modelling, good texturing, good camera work,
whatever, does not
>neccessarily make it good art to everyone who views it. Peter just right out called
any criticizism
>"idiotic". Now obviously any CG expert can come along and say "Great work!", because
it is, but leave
>people to their own artistic interpretations.

Well I think it is up to the individual to decide what he/she thinks is "idiotic". My
feeling is that Peter was responding instinctively to what he saw as trivial comments
on a
great raytracing.
(I just made an interesting typo there, I called it ratracing :-) Freudian?
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In article <qdbnbschb3pq8k62mmb73sb4uuij6fbpds@4ax.com>, David 
Wilkinson <dav### [at] cwcomnet> wrote:

> (I just made an interesting typo there, I called it ratracing :-) 
> Freudian?

Hehe, there was a section on the CompuServe forum called "Tray Racing", 
as I remember. I think it had the same purpose as povray.off-topic.

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