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From: Ken
Subject: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 04:30:22
Message: <3726B7C9.DBD42794@pacbell.net>
An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
It is day time.
 Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
some vital element that would lend it credibility ?

1.) a lamp cord :)

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Ken Tyler

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From: J  Grimbert
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 06:11:54
Message: <3726D0D6.F90700E2@atos-group.com>
Ken wrote:
> 
> An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
> and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
> The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
> I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
> It is day time.

The lamp is very nice!

>  Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
> some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
> 
> 1.) a lamp cord :)

Yes, unless it's a petrol/oil lamp, old western style (sort of, rather
middle/end of last century style).

Given the expected weight of the base of the lamp, the lampshade
can probably be a little larger (but probably not too much taller)
without jeopardizing the equilibrum of the lamp. 
Now, there is this mass in the middle which may already prevent 
a bigger lampshade...

Would you put it on a small table or on the floor ?
It seems a little too tall for a table, and out of proportion to be
of use on the floor...


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 06:22:40
Message: <3726D21B.E65B0083@pacbell.net>
J. Grimbert wrote:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
> > and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
> > The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
> > I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
> > It is day time.
> 
> The lamp is very nice!

Thank you.
 
> >  Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
> > some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
> Yes, unless it's a petrol/oil lamp, old western style (sort of, rather
> middle/end of last century style).

Not.
 
> Given the expected weight of the base of the lamp, the lampshade
> can probably be a little larger (but probably not too much taller)
> without jeopardizing the equilibrum of the lamp.
> Now, there is this mass in the middle which may already prevent
> a bigger lampshade...

  I think it would be stable as is though I concur that the base height
might be bumped up a bit to give it an illusion of more weight.
 
> Would you put it on a small table or on the floor ?
> It seems a little too tall for a table, and out of proportion to be
> of use on the floor...

  I think the fact you worry about the suitability of location is the
illusion given by it already resting on a floor and it's proprotions
and proximity in comparison to the surrounding walls. Had I set it on
the floor with the walls and camera 4 times farther away I doubt you
would ever have considered it as anything but a table lamp. Then again
that is why I asked and maybe that I don't have it scaled to look right
if presented in a scene where it would rest on a table. My main concern
is if I have the lamp body to shade size correctly matched. I have seen
many real lamps that are poorly matched and they really look bad as a
result. This should not have to suffer the same indifferent treatment
as lamps in real life must endure.


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Ken Tyler

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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 07:13:34
Message: <3726df4e.0@news.povray.org>
Is that base SOLID GLASS???????

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Ken wrote in message <3726B7C9.DBD42794@pacbell.net>...
>An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
>and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
>The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
>I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
>It is day time.
> Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
>some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
>
>1.) a lamp cord :)
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 08:40:21
Message: <3726F354.B8686372@aol.com>
Ha ha, I was going to mention the glass needs a touch of fade_distance
perhaps as well as internal structure.
The sizes seem appropriate to me I guess, but enough of that, it looks
great. The whole picture I mean, already as is.
Should make for a good image when added together with other things.


Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Is that base SOLID GLASS???????
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
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> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
> 
> Ken wrote in message <3726B7C9.DBD42794@pacbell.net>...
> >An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
> >and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
> >The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
> >I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
> >It is day time.
> > Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
> >some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
> >
> >1.) a lamp cord :)
> >
> >--
> >Ken Tyler
> >
> >mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 08:54:05
Message: <3726F3D4.B6F88C40@ndirect.co.uk>
Superb!  

The wallpaper even looks good.

Request: Bigger, this could be an image in itself.

Cheers
Steve

Ken wrote:
> 
> An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
> and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
> The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
> I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
> It is day time.
>  Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
> some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
> 
> 1.) a lamp cord :)
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
> 
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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 09:01:29
Message: <3726f899.0@news.povray.org>
One thing that kind of bothers me is the glass ornament in the middle. Not
the shape, but the position - I'd put it lower. Also, I would either move
the shade a bit lower or make the base a bit higher. Otherwise the squat
base contrasts too starkly with the overall slender shape.
Anyway, your taste may differ and I have no argument with that. The lamp
looks good.

Margus

Ken wrote in message <3726B7C9.DBD42794@pacbell.net>...
>An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
>and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
>The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
>I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
>It is day time.
> Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
>some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
>
>1.) a lamp cord :)
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Rick (Kitty5)
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 10:46:17
Message: <37271129.0@news.povray.org>
This is a very nice lamp, i was wondering what you would cook up!.

The lamp looks fine, but it may need some minor height adjustmet when it
gets into the final scene, overall perfect.

Might i suggest than when you light such an object such as this the you
position the lights off to one side, with the light appearing to be on the
same plane as the camera it all looks a bit flat.

try placing one light slighty higher than the camera, and about 30-45 deg to
the left (or Right), then place a second light slightly lower then the
camera 20 deg or so to the right (the opposite to the the previous light)
and make its brightness 20% or so, and maybe not 100% white, try for a
similar color to the rest of the scene (but more of a slight off-white).

Rick

Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3726B7C9.DBD42794@pacbell.net...
> An elegantly crafted lamp. It is intended to be used in another image
> and was created as a seperate object to reduce clutter in the scene.
> The lamp shade was a bit difficult to make but once I got to this point
> I felt I could have done worse. No the lamp is not currently turned on.
> It is day time.
>  Does the lamp appear proportioned about right to you or have I missed
> some vital element that would lend it credibility ?
>
> 1.) a lamp cord :)
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 13:19:22
Message: <3727350a.0@news.povray.org>
Superb Ken

But I agree that the glass ornament in the middle could be lower just a tad.

As to proportion it is about right if elegance is what you're after, often
though we need to see things in situ to make final decisions about such
matters.

Mick


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From: bankspad
Subject: Re: Style, Grace, and Elegance
Date: 28 Apr 1999 13:40:43
Message: <372735EC.784F4FAC@pacbell.net>
This is a beautifully crafted piece, well done. I have really only two
comments: 1) I'm assuming from your mention of a cord and the type of
lampshade that this is not an oil lamp, rather an electric one. If so, then
usually the power-cord passes through the base of the lamp - therefore perhaps
the base could be a bit thicker (or higher) to accomodate the cord. 2) I'm
wondering if the glass would benefit from a bit (bit more?) of beveling to
help it blend in a larger image with other objects - just a personal artistic
curiosity.   ;-]

KB-


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