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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 13 Apr 1999 10:35:57
Message: <3713483d.0@news.povray.org>
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Responses? Anyone? Ken?
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Lance Birch wrote in message <3712e32d.0@news.povray.org>...
>OK, I've made a candle as you requested in MAX, I must admit it needs a lot
>of work to get it looking right, I've never used the translucency blurring
>in MAX before, so I think the settings need changing a bit before I can get
>the light fading right... but anyway, here it is. The candle is a
>traditional dipped candle, so it obviously doesn't look like the previous
>posting from you (which looks more synthetic, or at least a "mass-produced"
>style).
>
>I've focused more on trying to get the translucency right than the model,
so
>please don't criticise it TOO much! :)
>
>I've also tried to simulate the bulging which is typical of these kinds of
>candles... (the natural wax is not as, um, what's the word, durable(?) as
>synthetic wax).
>
>I've also tried to introduce some blotchiness into the wax... it doesn't
>show up much on the sides at the moment, so I'll have to work on that...
>
>I'm going to post an example of the "rice paper" shadow casting soon
also...
>I've made a kind of resin texture...
>
>Anyway, enough talking!!! Tell me what you think! :-)
>
>Lance.
>
>P.S.
>> do everything better software, made for the "real artist", 3d modelling
>
>Did I say it did everything better? NO! In fact I criticised it's
>raytracer for being slow... As for "real artist" I never said that
>either... in fact I believe that renders are just artists' tools.
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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 13 Apr 1999 14:07:28
Message: <371379d0.0@news.povray.org>
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Yeah, I'd say that is what a lit candle should look like. The flame is too
bright, but I guess that's not the point here.
Still, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to make a transluce
with nothing but an ambience gradient...
Margus
Lance Birch wrote in message <3712e32d.0@news.povray.org>...
>OK, I've made a candle as you requested in MAX, I must admit it needs a lot
>of work to get it looking right, I've never used the translucency blurring
>in MAX before, so I think the settings need changing a bit before I can get
>the light fading right... but anyway, here it is. The candle is a
>traditional dipped candle, so it obviously doesn't look like the previous
>posting from you (which looks more synthetic, or at least a "mass-produced"
>style).
>
>I've focused more on trying to get the translucency right than the model,
so
>please don't criticise it TOO much! :)
>
>I've also tried to simulate the bulging which is typical of these kinds of
>candles... (the natural wax is not as, um, what's the word, durable(?) as
>synthetic wax).
>
>I've also tried to introduce some blotchiness into the wax... it doesn't
>show up much on the sides at the moment, so I'll have to work on that...
>
>I'm going to post an example of the "rice paper" shadow casting soon
also...
>I've made a kind of resin texture...
>
>Anyway, enough talking!!! Tell me what you think! :-)
>
>Lance.
>
>P.S.
>> do everything better software, made for the "real artist", 3d modelling
>
>Did I say it did everything better? NO! In fact I criticised it's
>raytracer for being slow... As for "real artist" I never said that
>either... in fact I believe that renders are just artists' tools.
>
>---
>For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
>The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
>For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
>Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
>
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Margus Ramst wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'd say that is what a lit candle should look like. The flame is too
> bright, but I guess that's not the point here.
> Still, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to make a transluce
> with nothing but an ambience gradient...
>
> Margus
Agreed !
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 13 Apr 1999 18:08:07
Message: <3713b237.0@news.povray.org>
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A little correction. I meant to write:
"if it would be possible to make _a translucent candle_ with nothing but an
ambience gradient."
Other cases (like the lamp shade) might prove a bit more tricky.
Margus
Ken wrote in message <37139EB9.96DA40EA@pacbell.net>...
>Margus Ramst wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'd say that is what a lit candle should look like. The flame is
too
>> bright, but I guess that's not the point here.
>> Still, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to make a
transluce
>> with nothing but an ambience gradient...
>>
>> Margus
>
>Agreed !
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 14 Apr 1999 05:13:48
Message: <37144e3c.0@news.povray.org>
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I was just about to point that out :)
Yes, it should be possible to do that... of course if you're using multiple
light sources it could become tricky, but for a candle using an ambient
gradient should work just fine I think...
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Lance.
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Margus Ramst wrote...
>A little correction. I meant to write:
>"if it would be possible to make _a translucent candle_ with nothing but an
>ambience gradient."
>Other cases (like the lamp shade) might prove a bit more tricky.
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 14 Apr 1999 05:15:15
Message: <37144e93.0@news.povray.org>
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You didn't really tell me what you thought Ken... :-(
Oh well... yes, I agree with Margus. The flame is way too bright... (looks
more like the beginning of a small nuclear explosion actually ;-)
For a candle an ambient gradient should suffice...
--
Lance.
---
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Ken wrote in message <37139EB9.96DA40EA@pacbell.net>...
>Margus Ramst wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'd say that is what a lit candle should look like. The flame is
too
>> bright, but I guess that's not the point here.
>> Still, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to make a
transluce
>> with nothing but an ambience gradient...
>>
>> Margus
>
>Agreed !
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 14 Apr 1999 22:51:02
Message: <371545DD.2812C71D@aol.com>
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Funny thing; seems the consensus is for "as seen with the un-aided eye"
instead of by photograph (time exposures and such) and yet there are
focal blurs, motion blurs, etc which are camera effects essentially (ah,
well yes, human eye percieves these as well).
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> You didn't really tell me what you thought Ken... :-(
>
> Oh well... yes, I agree with Margus. The flame is way too bright... (looks
> more like the beginning of a small nuclear explosion actually ;-)
>
> For a candle an ambient gradient should suffice...
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
>
> Ken wrote in message <37139EB9.96DA40EA@pacbell.net>...
> >Margus Ramst wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, I'd say that is what a lit candle should look like. The flame is
> too
> >> bright, but I guess that's not the point here.
> >> Still, I'm beginning to wonder if it would be possible to make a
> transluce
> >> with nothing but an ambience gradient...
> >>
> >> Margus
> >
> >Agreed !
> >
> >--
> >Ken Tyler
> >
> >mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 15 Apr 1999 08:22:11
Message: <3715cbe3.0@news.povray.org>
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Yes I know, they all seem to give an image that extra bit of realism though
:) And plus, they're just plain FUN!!! ;-)
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Lance.
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For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
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For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/colorblind
Bob Hughes wrote...
>Funny thing; seems the consensus is for "as seen with the un-aided eye"
>instead of by photograph (time exposures and such) and yet there are
>focal blurs, motion blurs, etc which are camera effects essentially (ah,
>well yes, human eye percieves these as well).
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Lance Birch wrote:
>
> You didn't really tell me what you thought Ken... :-(
> --
> Lance.
Sorry about that.
Life has been in the way and I have not had time to correspond in my usual
robust manner. Hopefully the outside will release it's hold over me gradually
in the next few days and things can get back to normal. Whatever that is.
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Translucency demonstration (13 K) <--- For Ken :)
Date: 16 Apr 1999 08:18:03
Message: <37171c6b.0@news.povray.org>
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he he he, I know the feeling........ "STOP it, I'm TRYING to render!!!"
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Lance.
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Ken wrote in message <3716F8F9.F545FBEC@pacbell.net>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> You didn't really tell me what you thought Ken... :-(
>
>> --
>> Lance.
>
>Sorry about that.
>
>Life has been in the way and I have not had time to correspond in my usual
>robust manner. Hopefully the outside will release it's hold over me
gradually
>in the next few days and things can get back to normal. Whatever that is.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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