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It was in the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless evening, in the autumn
of the year, the sky overcast threatening rain, and the wretched cold penetrating
to the very core of my body, that I happened upon the ill fated house of Beauty...
This is an image of a scene I have been working on 3 day's now for my sisters
birthday. I got the scene to this stage and saved it as a jpg for reference
purposes. I made a couple of changes and added a bunch of spheres to make a
string like water curtain effect around the statue.
I must have been a little over enthusiastic with the ambient values for the
spheres and their number. I already had the 72 colored spotlights highlighting
the ceiling and the light buffers started consuming enormous amounts of memory.
After rendering for 15 min. my hard drive started groaning and thrashing
in an unatural way. Concerned I stopped the render using the windows task manager
because Pov
had stopped responding. When I restarted Pov the file and all of it's
contents were gone. This will remain an unfinished and unreproducable work -
a fatal beauty if you will.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Ratboy, that's really nice. I especially like the horse..it looks like it's made of
chalk.
It's a shame you lost it. I'd have liked to see the spotlights lighting up a dusty
media
in the ceiling, and the floor AA'd. Why do you think you suffered a crash? Was it a
POV
thing, or a Windows thing, do you think? You have 128Mb of RAM, so surely it can't
have
been lack of memory.
--
Andy
Ken wrote in message <36EB29B7.13747DA9@pacbell.net>...
>It was in the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless evening, in the autumn
> of the year, the sky overcast threatening rain, and the wretched cold penetrating
> to the very core of my body, that I happened upon the ill fated house of Beauty...
>
> This is an image of a scene I have been working on 3 day's now for my sisters
> birthday. I got the scene to this stage and saved it as a jpg for reference
> purposes. I made a couple of changes and added a bunch of spheres to make a
> string like water curtain effect around the statue.
> I must have been a little over enthusiastic with the ambient values for the
> spheres and their number. I already had the 72 colored spotlights highlighting
> the ceiling and the light buffers started consuming enormous amounts of memory.
> After rendering for 15 min. my hard drive started groaning and thrashing
> in an unatural way. Concerned I stopped the render using the windows task manager
because Pov
>had stopped responding. When I restarted Pov the file and all of it's
> contents were gone. This will remain an unfinished and unreproducable work -
> a fatal beauty if you will.
>
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Andrew Cocker wrote:
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> Ratboy, that's really nice. I especially like the horse..it looks like it's
> made of chalk. It's a shame you lost it. I'd have liked to see the spotlights
> lighting up a dusty media in the ceiling, and the floor AA'd. Why do you think
> you suffered a crash? Was it a POV thing, or a Windows thing, do you think?
> You have 128Mb of RAM, so surely it can't have been lack of memory.
>
> --
> Andy
Ratboy responds with,
Funny you should mention the media. I had arranged the lights as they were
with media in mind. I wanted a misty colored glow encircling the room with
the bright statue and the string of water like beads shrouding the statue.
It would have been a neat effect. This was rendered at 800x600 with an AA
of 0.3. While a lot of the details are still fresh in my mind I might retry
it but I doubt it will ever be the same as seen now. Might be better who
knows. So many things to try so little life span to do it in.
I have had problems with Pov in the past when hitting memory use in excess
of 100 - 200 megs. My swap file right after the crash was over 250 megs and
add in the physical ram you have a quite a bit to manage. For some reason
somebody in the system gets confused as to who has control over the
operation and the swap file goes into a permanent read/write mode. The only
way to stop is to shut down with the windows task manager. First time it's
ever taken out a 1.2 meg file with it in the process.
I suspect the data loss comes from the way the Pov editor keeps the file
in a memory buffer instead of taking care of everything by reading and
writing to disk. When I had to shut down the program because of a memory
problem, as it shut down it tried to write back to the file to reflect the
current state. Unfortunately the current state was corrupt and it wrote a
0 byte file. If it relied upon the hard drive instead of the memory buffer
it would be a much safer process. This is all of course personal observations
based on conjecture because I haven't a real clue how memory management is
taken care of at a system/program level and have to guess a lot.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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I really like this.. how did you make the horse?
Dave
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try opening you swap file with word pad you may find the pov file in there
some where or try scandisk, it may well find some lost clusters, save them
if any, these also may be be your missing files..
Rick
Ken wrote in message <36EB29B7.13747DA9@pacbell.net>...
>It was in the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless evening, in the autumn
> of the year, the sky overcast threatening rain, and the wretched cold
penetrating
> to the very core of my body, that I happened upon the ill fated house of
Beauty...
>
> This is an image of a scene I have been working on 3 day's now for my
sisters
> birthday. I got the scene to this stage and saved it as a jpg for
reference
> purposes. I made a couple of changes and added a bunch of spheres to make
a
> string like water curtain effect around the statue.
> I must have been a little over enthusiastic with the ambient values for
the
> spheres and their number. I already had the 72 colored spotlights
highlighting
> the ceiling and the light buffers started consuming enormous amounts of
memory.
> After rendering for 15 min. my hard drive started groaning and
thrashing
> in an unatural way. Concerned I stopped the render using the windows task
manager because Pov
>had stopped responding. When I restarted Pov the file and all of it's
> contents were gone. This will remain an unfinished and unreproducable
work -
> a fatal beauty if you will.
>
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Rick wrote:
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> try opening you swap file with word pad you may find the pov file in there
> some where or try scandisk, it may well find some lost clusters, save them
> if any, these also may be be your missing files..
>
> Rick
First things I tried. Nope ! By the time I got to the swap file it
had already been flushed and scan disk reported no lost clusters.
Nor did I find anything in the temp directory or, or, or ...
It is lost and gone for ever oh my darli'n Clementine...
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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That is terrible news!
A lesson to all who hears of this I hope. Don't suppose you had a
time-delayed save going on too did you? I've noticed trouble with it
sometimes if the parse or render is working hard. Yet I haven't seen a
script get vacuumed out in the process... that's just plain bad.
Great picture. Going to disappoint a lot of people I bet since they
can't offer suggestions/comments now unless you do make another go.
Ken wrote:
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> Rick wrote:
> >
> > try opening you swap file with word pad you may find the pov file in there
> > some where or try scandisk, it may well find some lost clusters, save them
> > if any, these also may be be your missing files..
> >
> > Rick
>
> First things I tried. Nope ! By the time I got to the swap file it
> had already been flushed and scan disk reported no lost clusters.
> Nor did I find anything in the temp directory or, or, or ...
>
> It is lost and gone for ever oh my darli'n Clementine...
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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omniVERSE: beyond the universe
http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
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I feel with you. It's awful to loose a file you work on, or have spent time on.
The image is a beauty.
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//Spider
( spi### [at] bahnhofse ) [ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
#declare life = rand(seed(42))*sqrt(-1);
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Did you try doing a search for file with the letter bak in them? I've
noticed the editor in 3.1 seems to create backups, so if you got a file
named this.pov, there might be a file called this.pov.bak.
-Mike
Ken wrote:
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> Rick wrote:
> >
> > try opening you swap file with word pad you may find the pov file in there
> > some where or try scandisk, it may well find some lost clusters, save them
> > if any, these also may be be your missing files..
> >
> > Rick
>
> First things I tried. Nope ! By the time I got to the swap file it
> had already been flushed and scan disk reported no lost clusters.
> Nor did I find anything in the temp directory or, or, or ...
>
> It is lost and gone for ever oh my darli'n Clementine...
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Mike wrote:
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> Did you try doing a search for file with the letter bak in them? I've
> noticed the editor in 3.1 seems to create backups, so if you got a file
> named this.pov, there might be a file called this.pov.bak.
>
> -Mike
Had it turned off. It's not a bad feature when all you are working on
is small files of a couple of thousand bytes but I have been playing
with some large mesh files lately and just can't afford to have several
2 - 6 meg pov files cluttering up my already bulging hard drives. The
same is true for the auto file save feature. When you have a 6 meg file
open you don't want it stopping you during your editing to write all of
that data to the disc. To back up 6 meg files every 5 min. or so to safe
guard a 1k addition until it's done does not make much sense compared
to the wear and tear on the equipment that occurs as a result.
I am almost positive that when I had to manually shut the file shut down,
either the Pov editor or Windows, attempted to write the buffer back into
the file for some reason, and the only thing there for it to write that
was left was nothing.
I like that last part "...the only thing there for it to write that
was left was nothing. " a happy little coincidental oxymoron.
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Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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