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From: Pete
Subject: Re: moonbase
Date: 3 Sep 2000 20:00:40
Message: <723.280T1364T8074889PeterC@nym.alias.net>
Christoph wrote ...

>The dome tiling looks good, but i don't really like the red planet's color.

        Thanks: the dome tiling is a macro.
        Red is a difficult color to work with.  Hmm ... maybe
blue ... that always looks good.

>BTW, what program did you use to generate the heightfield ?

        Standard Official Povray 3.1, outputting a 24-bit TGA
containing 16-bit data.  I use the spherical pigment with
a color map (clear to white to clear) to make the rim of the
crater.  That looks way too regular, so under that pigment I
have a bozo pigment. The interaction of the two layers  is
like the photoshop "multiply" mode.  (in other words, the
sphere pigment masks out the bozo into a crater shape)


Peter


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From: Pete
Subject: Re: moonbase
Date: 3 Sep 2000 20:00:41
Message: <1266.280T1626T8205275PeterC@nym.alias.net>
Chris huff wrote ...

>In article <39B0E94F.E3A85D6A@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de>,
>chr### [at] gmxde wrote:

>> But then the sky should not be totally black (at least some color near the
>> horizon if it's only a thin atmosphere).

>Not at night. :-)
>Or even at daytime, if the atmosphere is thin, sunlight is dim, and the
>planetoid is small. The atmospheric scattering may only be visible when
>looking nearly directly at the sun or other light source.

>And besides, maybe a spacecraft just landed and the dust is still
>settling, and that is what causes the halos.

        Dust, errr, um, yeah, that's it.  :-)
        Seriously, I'de intended an airless moon, but I hadn't
realized that the glow around the lights would be impossible
in a vacuum.  My mistake.

>Anyway, I would like to know how the glow effect was done...emitting
>media spheres? Or scattering media? Or has someone else added Marcos
>Fajardo's glowing light sources patch to a newer version of POV?

        I think too many people jump to the "it must be a patched
version of pov" conclusion when they look at a render.  I don't mess
around with unofficial unsupported nonstandard hacks of povray.  The
glow is just an emitting media on a clear (hollow) sphere, in
regular PovRay 3.1.


Pete


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From: Pete
Subject: Re: moonbase
Date: 3 Sep 2000 20:00:42
Message: <495.280T113T8263750PeterC@nym.alias.net>
Rick wrote ...

>hmmm, the domes, look, well, to much like perfect domes..

        Heheh.  The constant dilema of the ratracer ...
make it mathematically perfect because you can, or add some
disorder/imperfection to make it "realistic".

>try adding a normal to them to make them look at little less perfect

        What I'de really like to do is find/write a good
hull plate macro (the look you see in all ships in the first
star wars movie, the one later retitled as "episode four").


Pete


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From: Paul Vanukoff
Subject: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 7 Sep 2000 10:55:53
Message: <39b7ac79$1@news.povray.org>
Actually, according to the prologue, the first Star Wars movie has always
been titled "Episode IV: A New Hope." So really it was never retitled. :)

--
Paul Vanukoff


"Pete" <Pet### [at] nymaliasnet> wrote in message
news:495### [at] nymaliasnet...

>         What I'de really like to do is find/write a good
> hull plate macro (the look you see in all ships in the first
> star wars movie, the one later retitled as "episode four").
>
>
> Pete


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 7 Sep 2000 18:15:48
Message: <39B81283.9C05683A@faricy.net>
Paul Vanukoff wrote:

> Actually, according to the prologue, the first Star Wars movie has always
> been titled "Episode IV: A New Hope." So really it was never retitled. :)

Yup, 'cuz they're based off a book series. AFAIK it goes up to nine...

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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 7 Sep 2000 21:51:19
Message: <39b84617@news.povray.org>
So that leaves three *more* movies?  Do you suppose they'll wait another 20
years before they make them?

--

Ian

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"David Fontaine" <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote in message
news:39B81283.9C05683A@faricy.net...
> Paul Vanukoff wrote:
>
> > Actually, according to the prologue, the first Star Wars movie has
always
> > been titled "Episode IV: A New Hope." So really it was never retitled.
:)
>
> Yup, 'cuz they're based off a book series. AFAIK it goes up to nine...
>
> --
> David Fontaine   <dav### [at] faricynet>   ICQ 55354965
> Please visit my website:  http://davidf.faricy.net/
>
>


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 7 Sep 2000 23:21:46
Message: <39B85A1C.3C8C585F@faricy.net>
Ian Witham wrote:

> So that leaves three *more* movies?  Do you suppose they'll wait another 20
> years before they make them?

It's their marketing technique.

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From: Pete
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 9 Sep 2000 11:11:55
Message: <1878.287T1075T6584100PeterC@nym.alias.net>
Paul Vanukoff wrote ... (regarding the titling of the first
Star Wars movie)

>Actually, according to the prologue, the first Star Wars movie has always
>been titled "Episode IV: A New Hope." So really it was never retitled. :)

--

        After reading your post, I decided to do a little research.
I couldn't refer to the actual movie, since my copy is the one with
all the 1990's computer effects added to the original 1977 film.
Then I remembered that I had a book published in 1979 (The Art of
Star Wars) which has the complete text of the script for the movie.
The book was published before all the enhancements and before the
next two movies were filmed.  So the book is old enough to be
used as a reliable reference.
        The first five lines of the title page of the script says:

 Star Wars
 Episode IV
 A New Hope
 from the
 Journal of the Wills
 by George Lucas

        Wow!
        Interesting, and not what I had remembered.  This supports
the idea that Lucas had intended from the beginning to make it a
multi-part series.  He didn't just shoot off one movie and then
decide to "invent" prequall movies after seeing the profits of the
first movie.
        But I still don't know that the original release of the
movie actually printed "episode IV" in the beginning scrolly
text intro.  I'de love to find a shot of the opening title from the
"original" (1977) release of the movie.
        And I wonder what the Journal of the Wills could be?

        Err, umm, getting back on topic ... or at least to
something remotely pov-ish ...
 ...
        In The Star Wars Sketchbook, I read that the surface
details of the Death Star (except for those towers with the gun
turrets on them) were assembled from multiple copies of only
six shapes.  Sounds like a process that could be POV-able, eh?
Six meshes, tiled using macros and some rand() calls ... kewel.


Pete


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From: Steven Marshall
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 20 Dec 2000 23:00:34
Message: <3A418038.D8F23380@alum.mit.edu>
Yes the original release certainly did start with "Episode IV: A New Hope". I
can clearly remember the audience reaction, "huh? episode 4? what the heck?".
And then the interviews with Lucas talking about the starting with the middle
trilogy since it was the most interesting one.

Steve M.

Pete wrote:

> Paul Vanukoff wrote ... (regarding the titling of the first
> Star Wars movie)
>
> >Actually, according to the prologue, the first Star Wars movie has always
> >been titled "Episode IV: A New Hope." So really it was never retitled. :)
>
> --
>
>         After reading your post, I decided to do a little research.
> I couldn't refer to the actual movie, since my copy is the one with
> all the 1990's computer effects added to the original 1977 film.
> Then I remembered that I had a book published in 1979 (The Art of
> Star Wars) which has the complete text of the script for the movie.
> The book was published before all the enhancements and before the
> next two movies were filmed.  So the book is old enough to be
> used as a reliable reference.
>         The first five lines of the title page of the script says:
>
>  Star Wars
>  Episode IV
>  A New Hope
>  from the
>  Journal of the Wills
>  by George Lucas
>
>         Wow!
>         Interesting, and not what I had remembered.  This supports
> the idea that Lucas had intended from the beginning to make it a
> multi-part series.  He didn't just shoot off one movie and then
> decide to "invent" prequall movies after seeing the profits of the
> first movie.
>         But I still don't know that the original release of the
> movie actually printed "episode IV" in the beginning scrolly
> text intro.  I'de love to find a shot of the opening title from the
> "original" (1977) release of the movie.
>         And I wonder what the Journal of the Wills could be?
>
>         Err, umm, getting back on topic ... or at least to
> something remotely pov-ish ...
>  ...
>         In The Star Wars Sketchbook, I read that the surface
> details of the Death Star (except for those towers with the gun
> turrets on them) were assembled from multiple copies of only
> six shapes.  Sounds like a process that could be POV-able, eh?
> Six meshes, tiled using macros and some rand() calls ... kewel.
>
> Pete


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: moonbase
Date: 21 Dec 2000 00:22:50
Message: <3a4193aa$1@news.povray.org>
"Steven Marshall" <sma### [at] alummitedu> wrote in message
news:3A418038.D8F23380@alum.mit.edu...
> Yes the original release certainly did start with "Episode IV: A New
Hope". I
> can clearly remember the audience reaction, "huh? episode 4? what the
heck?".


    I spent a lot of time back then telling folk that there would be a total
of 12, three previous and eight after.


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