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From: Erhard Ducke
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 17 Dec 2003 07:21:45
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:28:36 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM>
wrote:

>I liked neither the sky nor the glitch in the ballet so I've redone them. Quite
>compressed to get it posted.

Very cool!
I think the dancers should come FROM earth and not dance towards earth
(unless you want to symbolize reincarnation)...
another suggestion: Earth should be smaller and standing still - I know
this is hard for an animator NOT to rotate it...;-)

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Erhard Ducke


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From: George Pantazopoulos
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 00:58:09
Message: <opr0ey0vq7hr234r@news.povray.org>
Good effort, Stephen :)

Suggestion: Having all the cool dancing skeletons be perfectly in sync 
looks unnatural. You have to somehow make the dancers slightly out of sync 
with each other. :)

George


On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:28:36 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM> 
wrote:

> I liked neither the sky nor the glitch in the ballet so I've redone 
> them. Quite
> compressed to get it posted.
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen
>



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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 06:11:46
Message: <23n5uv4ncvl9mbnv6k48teo476oun9i0rf@4ax.com>
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:22:24 +0100, Erhard Ducke <duc### [at] gentlemansclubde>
wrote:

>Very cool!
>I think the dancers should come FROM earth and not dance towards earth
>(unless you want to symbolize reincarnation)...
>another suggestion: Earth should be smaller and standing still - 

Thanks for the criticism it is much appreciated. The symbolism is taken from
"Death's jest book" by "Thomas Lovell Beddoes" illustrating Hans Holbein's The
Dance of Death. It shows everyday scenes of death and dying in the 16th century.
http://www.godecookery.com/macabre/holdod/holdod.htm
Death is represented by a skeleton. This animation is Death setting out to visit
Earth. (Pretentious, or what?)
My wife agrees with you that the Earth should be smaller about the size of the
Moon as seen from the Earth. I made it large to give a sense of unreality along
with the hand drawn mountains.

>I know
>this is hard for an animator NOT to rotate it...;-)

How very true:-} Less is more in this case, then.

Regards
        Stephen


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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 06:22:08
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:01:33 -0500, George Pantazopoulos
<george@gamma*KILLSPAM*burst.net> wrote:

>Good effort, Stephen :)

Thank you.

>Suggestion: Having all the cool dancing skeletons be perfectly in sync 
>looks unnatural. You have to somehow make the dancers slightly out of sync 
>with each other. :)

Each row needs to be in sync to get the animation to loop but the columns could
be out of sync with each other. There are 43 skeleton meshes in a cycle and in
this animation there is only one mesh per frame, copied a lot of times. I wanted
it to look unnatural or supernatural.

Regards
        Stephen


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From: Erhard Ducke
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 16:49:28
Message: <7ds6uv0nrbt3p9a13e27f9t811nmrk6n4t@4ax.com>
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:46 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM>
wrote:

>Death is represented by a skeleton. This animation is Death setting out to visit
>Earth. (Pretentious, or what?)

I don't know the book but in my mind death can be symbolized by one
skeleton. When there are more than one they are the 'harvest" of death
IMO...
But as said before I don't know the book and its intention...
I wish you a Merry Christmas full of life...;-)
-- 
Erhard Ducke


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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 17:15:18
Message: <92u6uvsrc8iitkv7e6ols1evdu0tk9qvhg@4ax.com>
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:49:55 +0100, Erhard Ducke <duc### [at] gentlemansclubde>
wrote:

>I don't know the book but in my mind death can be symbolized by one
>skeleton. When there are more than one they are the 'harvest" of death
>IMO...

Yes, one death per person. As each person has a guardian angle so they have
their individual Death. Because we all die alone. I am making this up as I go
along :-}

>But as said before I don't know the book and its intention...

Unless you are interested in macabre poetry or Hans Holbein's art don't bother.

>I wish you a Merry Christmas full of life...;-)

Thank you, I return the complement and hope it is a long life for you too. Lang
may yer lum reek.

Regards
        Stephen


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From: Apache
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 19 Dec 2003 18:56:43
Message: <3fe3903b$1@news.povray.org>
Things would be funny if one skeleton behaves clumsy and drops it's head or
stumbles.


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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 20 Dec 2003 04:28:34
Message: <hg58uv06ql553n57dq5rqrgbub2dkhreql@4ax.com>
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:56:45 +0100, "Apache" <apa### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>Things would be funny if one skeleton behaves clumsy and drops it's head or
>stumbles.
Here I am, baring my soul, talking about Death and the afterlife and you want
funny :-}


Regards
        Stephen


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From: Erhard Ducke
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:12:24
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:28:34 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM>
wrote:

>Here I am, baring my soul, talking about Death and the afterlife and you want
>funny :-}

What about a nice audio track. Perhaps you can synchronize the skeletons'
dance with Chopin's Funeral March... (or vice versa)
-- 
Erhard Ducke


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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: The graveyard shift II - bal1408e003a4.mpg
Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:22:36
Message: <lq3buvsbted3jg08fkpce6ieucid1qtju4@4ax.com>
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:13:06 +0100, Erhard Ducke <duc### [at] gentlemansclubde>
wrote:

>What about a nice audio track. Perhaps you can synchronize the skeletons'
>dance with Chopin's Funeral March... (or vice versa)

Nice idea. I have never tried to add a sound track as I'm generally trying to
reduce the file size. Just now I am trying to do something "funny" but have been
ill so I don't know when I'll get it finished. One thing I've been taking strong
pain killers so I don't think it will be realistic. 

Regards
        Stephen


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