> True, I really appreciate the new "artsy" look of POV-Ray :)  Makes it
even
> more enjoyable!

I definately agree! I wonder if the website is going to be updated to
reflect the new look? Right now it looks kind of... well, old.

Anders

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news:3b98fb35@news.povray.org...
> True, I really appreciate the new "artsy" look of POV-Ray :)  Makes it
even
> more enjoyable!  (I wonder if I could make the splash screen my desktop?
> Hmm...)

  Just what I've done with "ALT+Print Screen". I've rendered it at
1280x1024, but without the text... seems that I like it more with the text,
don't know why... ;)

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Tom Melly wrote:
> 
> This is fine if they are inside the Pov-Ray programs folder. However, if, for
> example, I elected to add the program icons to an existing folder called
> "graphics", I will then have 3 entries in "graphics" that could belong to any of
> my graphics programs: Read Me, Tutorial.., and Licence...

Okay, got it. However, the vast majority of Windows programs
install such items, so I don't think POV is wrong here.

I tend to let the contents of the start-menu-folders as-installed,
except that I usually add the version number to the program name
(QuickTime becomes QuickTime 5.0.1).

Then I organize the whole folders.

My Start menu set-up is something like (tree is top-down)

Start
  Programs
    Multimedia
      Winamp
      Irfanview
      Quicktime
    Graphics Creation
      Paint Shop Pro
      POV-Ray
etc. (all of these are folders)

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Warp wrote:
> 
>   That's nothing compared to realplayer. It's just plain crazy! It put itself
> in every possible place! The desktop, they tray, the quickstart menu, the
> start menu, the control panel, and of course in start/programs/realplayer.
>   Such an intrusive program was so ANNOYING that I deleted it immediately.

You can disable most of this during the installation process,
even before the "damage" is done. RealPlayer is aggressively
intrusive by default, but it has a minimum of good-will in
that every of the annoyances can be disabled. I now have a
RealPlayer that only displays an empty window when launched,
which is all I need to start a film.

I'm sorry we're going OT here and wasting the "bandwidth" of
the POV-Team.

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Ben Chambers wrote:
> 
> (I wonder if I could make the splash screen my desktop?
> Hmm...)

Don't forget you have version #1 at
	http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/running.jpg

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"Anders K." <and### [at] f2scom> wrote in message news:3b98d0ea$1@news.povray.org...
> > I don't see where you're getting two in the start menu from. It adds a
> > start menu group (strictly speaking, it's a program menu group, but I won't
> > split hairs) and a start menu icon (or direct shortcut), but that's not the
> > same thing as two icons in the start menu.
>
> But as well as adding the Start menu group Start > Program Files > POV-Ray
> for Windows 3.5, it also adds the *direct shortcut* Start > Program Files >
> POV-Ray for Windows.

Isn't this exactly what I just said ? You even quoted where I said it ! What
was the point of doing that ?

People like you forget that some users of POV-Ray are much less technical than
yourselves. Some users who don't know how to create an icon on their desktop,
for example. I take the attitude that it is much, much easier to click on an
unwanted desktop icon and press the 'delete' key (see, it's not that hard, is
it ???), than it is to create an icon where there isn't one (especially if the
user doesn't know how to do so).

I have been writing and maintaining the installers for POVWIN for six years now
and have a good idea of what to do and what to avoid, based on hard experience*.
I am not going to change it, and that's final.

If you feel that the two entries in the start menu (the group and the shortcut)
are excessive, please take my invitation to use the 'uninstall' feature, which
will remove those nasty, horrid, excessive icons from your computer once and for
all.

-- Chris

* Incidentally, you are the first person in all that time who has complained that
  there are too many menu entries.

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> Isn't this exactly what I just said ?

Is it? If that's what you meant, I apologize. But you did say, "I don't see
where you're getting two in the start menu from". One is in Start > Programs
> POV-Ray for Windows, and one is in Start > Programs > POV-Ray for Windows
3.5 > POV-Ray for Windows. (Program Files was a typo, sorry :-))

Anders

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> >
> > I'm told some persons use the desktop, so putting an icon there
> > is not a bad idea.
> >
>
> I find the desktop too agressive.

    My windows keyboard comes with a "delete" key.

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> Isn't this exactly what I just said ? You even quoted where I said it !
What
> was the point of doing that ?

I don't want to get involved here but what I think Anders meant was that
there are two shortcuts to Pov-Ray. One of them is in the root of the
programs menu and the other is in the "Pov-Ray for Windows" menu group. Now
I don't understand what the complaint is though, there are many many
programs which do this.

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> My Start menu set-up is something like (tree is top-down)
>
> Start
>   Programs
>     Multimedia
>       Winamp
>       Irfanview
>       Quicktime
>     Graphics Creation
>       Paint Shop Pro
>       POV-Ray
> etc. (all of these are folders)

I used to do that, and still do religiously with my bookmarks, but after a
while and after a few OS reinstalls I gave up. Now I just rename any
particularly annoying folder names and, like you, add version numbers where
they make sense. Part of the reason was installing Office 2000, I never
could keep my start menu clean after installing that bugger.

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