Hi

I have been using Moray to create all of my Pov-Ray images, almost all,
I have to say it's a great modeller! However I also use other programs a
lot, like Rhino. It would be great if I could export objects from Moray
to other formats. I know that the older version of 3DWin had a plugin
that enabled this, and a plugin is supposed to come out for the new
version at some point. I have also searched and searched for a program
that cam read or convert Pov-Ray 3.1 code, to no avail, the closest
thing there is, is Pov-to-RIB (I think this is it) but that is for unix
systems and I don't know programming so the parsing code doesn't help
either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??

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Thomas Lake wrote:

> either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
> or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??

No.

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the main problem as i understand it is that pov doesn't tesselate its
objects which i think is a fancy word for 'convert to triangles'.  many
would like to see this become a feature in the total rewrite that will
be version 4.0 of povray.  those of us not on the pov team can only
plead, and hope our cries are heard.  another approach would be to see
if lutz has the ability to add the feature to moray itself.  i don't
know.  a feature that is being added to the upcoming v3.3 of moray makes
me wonder if he's already halfway there.  sorry that was cryptic, but
i'm not allowed to mention specifics.

as for pov-to-rib (and his generic pov file parser), i recently ran
across it and emailed the author to ask if i or someone else could
update it.  he hasn't responded yet.  i'd like to make a pov-to-moray
plugin and i already have everything but the parser done.  i've
programmed a little in the past, but this is a big task that will take
me a long time.  i tried to do a parser on my own, but without any
reference to that kind of task, i'm not sure how to do it from scratch. 
i can't borrow code from pov itself per the license agreement (i.e. only
full and complete patches are allowed; free of course).  but if the
pov-to-rib guy let's me use his parser as a starting point my task would
be much easier.  his parser is object oriented in c++ with great
documentation.  it will still take some time to learn his stuff, but
much easier to do that and then update it than make my own.  i don't
know how hard it would be to then make pov-to-your-fovorite-model-format
converters.  many modellers use primitives in the modelling process, but
i don't know if they are stored as primitives or converted to
triangles.  anyway i've started rambling so bye now.

Thomas Lake wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I have been using Moray to create all of my Pov-Ray images, almost all,
> I have to say it's a great modeller! However I also use other programs a
> lot, like Rhino. It would be great if I could export objects from Moray
> to other formats. I know that the older version of 3DWin had a plugin
> that enabled this, and a plugin is supposed to come out for the new
> version at some point. I have also searched and searched for a program
> that cam read or convert Pov-Ray 3.1 code, to no avail, the closest
> thing there is, is Pov-to-RIB (I think this is it) but that is for unix
> systems and I don't know programming so the parsing code doesn't help
> either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
> or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??
> 
> --
> Come visit my web site:-) : http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/

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Ken wrote:

> Thomas Lake wrote:
>
> > either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
> > or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??
>
> No.

Yes. Actually, Xander has written a rudimentary RIB export plugin. RIB, being
less of a handscripted language than POV-Ray is easier to convert to other
formats. On the POV-Ray links page, there is a program by the name of lily8.
That will convert RIB files from RIB to DXF and other formats, IIRC. The only
limitations on this are that the RIB export plugin doesn't support many
features of Moray yet. And you won't have any of your texturing, but at least
you keep the geometry.

>
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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Wow thanks for this info!! I tried it out and it "sort of" works. I tried
exporting a few primitives, box, cylinder, cone each scaled and rotated by an
arbitrary amount. I first used the RIB exporter and then used the Lily program to
convert to DXF. When I opened the DXF file in Rhino it had the box and sphere
right but the other shapes were just displayed as flat discs. Still it's nice to
see that there is finally SOME way to do this!!!

Alex Magidow wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>
> > Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > > either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
> > > or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??
> >
> > No.
>
> Yes. Actually, Xander has written a rudimentary RIB export plugin. RIB, being
> less of a handscripted language than POV-Ray is easier to convert to other
> formats. On the POV-Ray links page, there is a program by the name of lily8.
> That will convert RIB files from RIB to DXF and other formats, IIRC. The only
> limitations on this are that the RIB export plugin doesn't support many
> features of Moray yet. And you won't have any of your texturing, but at least
> you keep the geometry.
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
>
> --
>  " [T]here seems to be nothing to prevent the transnational corporations
> taking possession of the planet and subjecting humanity to the dictatorship
> of capital.... In order to crush any thought of organized resistance to the
> supporters of the new world order, tremendous police and military forces are
> being used to establish a doctrine of repression...."
> - Christian la Brie, Le Monde Diplomatique (Paris)

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That has nothing to do with the process you used to export, actually- the RIB export
plugin has a bit of trouble with cones...and cylinder should work, last I
checked...The RIB exporter doesn't really cover all the Moray primitives, mostly
because the set of Moray primitives differs with the set of Renderman primitives.

Thomas Lake wrote:

> Wow thanks for this info!! I tried it out and it "sort of" works. I tried
> exporting a few primitives, box, cylinder, cone each scaled and rotated by an
> arbitrary amount. I first used the RIB exporter and then used the Lily program to
> convert to DXF. When I opened the DXF file in Rhino it had the box and sphere
> right but the other shapes were just displayed as flat discs. Still it's nice to
> see that there is finally SOME way to do this!!!
>
> Alex Magidow wrote:
>
> > Ken wrote:
> >
> > > Thomas Lake wrote:
> > >
> > > > either. Does anyone know if there is ANY other way to export from Moray
> > > > or convert from Pov-Ray 3.1??
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Yes. Actually, Xander has written a rudimentary RIB export plugin. RIB, being
> > less of a handscripted language than POV-Ray is easier to convert to other
> > formats. On the POV-Ray links page, there is a program by the name of lily8.
> > That will convert RIB files from RIB to DXF and other formats, IIRC. The only
> > limitations on this are that the RIB export plugin doesn't support many
> > features of Moray yet. And you won't have any of your texturing, but at least
> > you keep the geometry.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> > > http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
> >
> > --
> >  " [T]here seems to be nothing to prevent the transnational corporations
> > taking possession of the planet and subjecting humanity to the dictatorship
> > of capital.... In order to crush any thought of organized resistance to the
> > supporters of the new world order, tremendous police and military forces are
> > being used to establish a doctrine of repression...."
> > - Christian la Brie, Le Monde Diplomatique (Paris)
>
> --
> Come visit my web site:-) : http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/

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 " [T]here seems to be nothing to prevent the transnational corporations taking
possession of the planet and subjecting humanity to the dictatorship of capital....
In order to crush any thought of organized resistance to the supporters of the new
world order, tremendous police and military forces are being used to establish a
doctrine of repression...."
- Christian la Brie, Le Monde Diplomatique (Paris)

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