One is obvious, the idea of at topic not honored by the majority
of the participants and thus voters.

	The second thing (and call it sour grapes if you will) is that
there is a decided prejudice against POV-Ray. 

	I am not saying I should have won the "incredible" contest. I am
not saying I should have been a tenth runner up. 

	I am saying that there were only about ten folks on topic and I
had at least one if not two of them. Not a complaint but an
issue. Everyone has to lose but winners clearly off topic? Wrong. 

	I have no problem with the winners on quality in the least. No
way a problem. The results are good. 

	But clearly and without question the idea of a topic being of
concern is meaninless. Forget the topic, it has no bearing upon
the competition. I am used to being damned so don't bother. 

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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         The second thing (and call it sour grapes if you will) is that
> there is a decided prejudice against POV-Ray.

 I didn't felt that, could you be more specific ?  (Usually, there are
rather accusations of pro-Pov attitudes).

>         I am not saying I should have won the "incredible" contest. I am
> not saying I should have been a tenth runner up.

 That's because your moon was too spherical ;-)))

>         I am saying that there were only about ten folks on topic and I
> had at least one if not two of them. Not a complaint but an
> issue. Everyone has to lose but winners clearly off topic? Wrong.
  
 ...

>         But clearly and without question the idea of a topic being of
> concern is meaninless. Forget the topic, it has no bearing upon
> the competition. I am used to being damned so don't bother.

I agree with you.  That round has very few really on-topic images.
I think that the topic itself was responsible of that, being much
too wide.  That's why I didn't participate that round, while I
participated
the 10 previous ones.

The purpose of a topic is to stimulate the entrants' imagination,
but it seems that many people ask themselves "how will I put my
favourite
sci-fi/pyramid/fantasy/... stuff with that topic ?".  Of course, it
results in uninteresting, seen-thousand-times images.

I fear (!) that "horror" will bring the same problems, especially since
it's an "asked" topic, and many people will just give their little
halloween/freddy/... uninspired images.

All we can do is continuing to give interesting images to the 
competition, on-topic ones, while asking us "how am I gonna surprise
them, this time ?"

Fabien.

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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: 	The second thing (and call it sour grapes if you will) is that
: there is a decided prejudice against POV-Ray. 

  What do you mean exactly?

  I admit that I personally have this kind of prejudice. When I see an IRTC
entry that looks great I look if it's made with povray. If it isn't, my
interest for that image ends there. The image is nice, but I'm not interested
in it because it is (probably) made with a very expensive tool with lots of
features that you can use just by clicking on a couple of buttons. However,
if the image is made with povray and it looks marvelous (for example, look
at the images at http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/jaimevives/index.htm), I
admire it a lot.
  I have never voted and probably never will. I don't think that I can be
an unprejudiced judge.

  I have seen a lot of bad judging and I don't want to be one of them.
For example, giving 20 points in originality/concept of the theme to an
image with some rocks and a river (topic 'water') is not good judging in
my opinion.

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First I was a bit shocked: Did I miss the final announcement of the
"landmark" winners? Well obviously I didn't...
In this round there were many "off-topics" too, but perhaps not so many
as in "unbelievable" - a topic that seems to be unbelievable in
itself... "Landmarks" and many other topics are kind of mor objective,
while "unbelievable" is much more up to one's own interpretation.
However there were quite a few good submissions too!

Nieminen Juha wrote:
>   I admit that I personally have this kind of prejudice. When I see an IRTC
> entry that looks great I look if it's made with povray. If it isn't, my
> interest for that image ends there. 

much the same for me...
but I would rather say "my interest for the _technical side_ of that
image ends there."

>   I have never voted and probably never will. I don't think that I can be
> an unprejudiced judge.

You should vote! And so did I.
As you surely have an opinion about the submissions, you really should
take part in the voting process too. Of course are you - as well as
every contestant - prejudiced, since you spent a lot of time with your
own thoughts and interpretations about the topic and then perhaps even
more time in putting together your scene. However, your vote is needed,
otherwise the space-pyramids and alien life forms would take over....
(yes, I'm a little bit prejudiced in this concern)...

Uwe.

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