See what happens when you teach a monkey to write!
To the POV Team-
I have studied programming and you all have my deepest respect. Not only for
POV-Ray, but for your charitable act of sharing it at no charge. I have
always wanted to dabble in Raycasting, but I do not want to pay the huge
fees some of the Pro prices (Not to mention the hardware upgrades) for what
to me is a fun hobby. It is my chance to explore art in a way that makes
sense to me. Sadly when ever you put something out there for others to use,
someone comes along and nags. I think the best thing to be done about this
cat is to ignore him so he will just go away!

P.S.
You guys keep up the great work! There are many of us that do thank you and
your efforts.
--
C.J. - POV User
www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy

lavender <lav### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:8F6263A94lavendersmith@204.213.191.228...
> Grand I finally provoke a hidden pov team member to finially come out in
to the
> light and talk to me. I have triied to get this for a while now.
>
> One: Why are you programming POVRAY?
> My hope answer: To produce the best and most capable program to your
abilities.
> Why my stance: The limits you have placed on povray show you amount of
pride in
> your work. If a process is available you should not count it out just
because
> you do not want to put your time into your creation. You should try harder
to
> do what you have set out to do. I complaine about the pov team backing off
of
> their commitment to all of us that use the very program the team created.
It is
> called integraty. If I say I will do something I must do it. If I only go
half
> way I lack integraty.
>
> You claim how difficult it is to do what I have sudjested but I have done
just
> what I have asked with clumsey and slow code. It does not dive directly
into
> the pov code but uses Povray as an engine. That tells me that it is not
that
> difficult to do.
>
> Secondly men where able to send a person to the moon useing a slide rule
so any
> rebuff from the pov team about what can and can not be done is a result of
> their direct willingness to apply the energy required.
>
> One of these post stated that there is no other program that uses network
> rendering over multiple platforms. I would send them to the Newtek site.
>
> http://www.newtek.com
>
> Lightwave has been doing this for a very long time. And yes they have
radiosity
> also. They are driven by money. The pov team should be driven by pride.
This is
> a great accomplishment they have in creating a program such as povray with
no
> direct finatial input and limited time. To fall short now is like an
athlete
> training hard and winning some local meets and then going to the olipics
just
> to set in the stands.
>
> The Pov team has the knowlage and the ability to make Povray the most
powerfull
> program available. They just need to be pushed like an athalete to perform
at
> the level we all know they can reach.

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I must stand here in humble accord and publicly and officially apologize 
for not being smart enough to make my point correctly and offend so many 
people in doing so.

I can explain why I did what I did but for those who where offended I just 
ask for forgivness.

I do know the great degree of effert that has gone into povray. I also know 
of the little return to those that have produced it.

I deal with computers and computer software producers on a dayly bases and 
am having a bit of a problem with why in the year 2000 we have such limited 
system. I know that the pov team must also deal with these stupid 
limitation when trying to develope the program.

I do believe that most of the distributed processes should be in the base 
OS and that povray really should not need it.

I have in the past hunted for some one in the pov team that would reply to 
questions and I was treated rudly by those that did reply. I made 
sudjestintions and was chastized for sudgesting something they obviously 
knew was to hard for them or the systems they where aiming at. I used that 
as an excuse to lower my self to what I thought those I was dealing with 
had reached.

I know that my programming skills are week and that I do not know enough to 
truly contribute to the pov effert.

My only complaint is that with all that povray can do and with all of us 
that use it we still have wants that the pov team has not been able to 
provide for.

An unrelated complaint is that some of the limitaions of povray has nothing 
to do with povray but that modern computers are about 10 years behind what 
they should be. OS's should never crash but they do regularly. I should not 
have to throw away my old computer just because I buy  new one. I am sure 
every one here has these same complaints and do not know who truly to yell 
at about them.

Thses are some of the reasons for my unaproprit comments.


I ask again for the acseptance of my humble apology. The pov team has in my 
opinion produced an extraordinay program that no other program can touch.

I will acnoladge that the povteam does not like to be pushed but I also 
believe that they are talented enough to much more than they have already. 
Maybe some pushing could help them reach much further than just the gold 
ring but much beyond that. I do believe they can do even more than they 
have. I just do not know how to incurage this. I can provide ways for 
increased funds through their own actions but that will be something each 
and every one of us must asses.

Thank you Pov Team for Povray and the loooong hours you have put into it.


As for spelling and grammer I see that as just as warped as trying to 
understand the networked rendering problem. An example: Why is drought 
spelled the way it is when doubt is spelled they way it is and why even 
have letters that you can not hear. This is just as stupid as windows 
always crashing.


I do plan on releasing the utilities that I am working on for distributing 
a rendering over a windows system. Once it is easily useable.

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Bravo! Excellent!

--
Regards,  Sander
-----------------------------

Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> schreef in berichtnieuws
395bd0fa@news.povray.org...
> In article <8F6263A94lavendersmith@204.213.191.228> ,
> lav### [at] hotmailcom (lavender) wrote:
>
> You don't have to be rude to accomplish this!
> <snip etc>

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lavender <lav### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
: One: Why are you programming POVRAY?
: My hope answer: To produce the best and most capable program to your abilities.

  Is this some kind of provocation?

: You claim how difficult it is to do what I have sudjested but I have done just 
: what I have asked with clumsey and slow code.

  Well, here you are.
  You are free to make it with high-quality and fast code and make a patch
for povray with it. Contributions are very welcome.
  Btw, if this was about multithreaded povray, I would like to see it working
with radiosity.

: Secondly men where able to send a person to the moon useing a slide rule

  Do you know how much money they received for one hour of work?

: One of these post stated that there is no other program that uses network 
: rendering over multiple platforms.

  Don't believe everything you read.
  I use this kind of programs myself from time to time.

: They just need to be pushed like an athalete to perform at 
: the level we all know they can reach.

  Sorry, but this statement is plain ridiculous.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
: I personally
: feel that picking on spelling a grammar mistakes is petty and
: uncalled for.

  On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
tells them what they are doing wrong.
  I personally would like people telling me if I write something wrong, but
I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I have
no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> : I personally
> : feel that picking on spelling a grammar mistakes is petty and
> : uncalled for.
>
>   On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
> tells them what they are doing wrong.

Writers/spellers  need to be pushed like an athelete to perform at
the level we all know they can reach.

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david sharp wrote:

> Writers/spellers  need to be pushed like an athelete to perform at
> the level we all know they can reach.

That's a fakt !

-- 
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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Warp wrote in message <3960ffab@news.povray.org>...
>I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I
have
>no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.


That should be others', not others.

Mark

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3960ffab@news.povray.org...
| Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
| : I personally
| : feel that picking on spelling a grammar mistakes is petty and
| : uncalled for.
|
|   On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
| tells them what they are doing wrong.
|   I personally would like people telling me if I write something wrong, but
| I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I
have
| no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.

The English language, and I could probably guess right that all others too,
are somewhat of a science.  Although, no one ever seems to consider it so.
Learning the correct way to both speak and write is something that can keep
being refined but language, at least English I know, has been metamorphosing
for centuries.  And it keeps on changing grammatically most of all.  To keep a
good understanding of it you'd have to follow the school of thought on it as
opposed to any one persons speech.  Therein lies the problem, continual
diversification of the learned versus the known language.  By "known" I'm
talking about how it's used in everyday life, as opposed to the "learned"
being a dissected and resurrected lingual science.
I often can't imagine someone trying to learn English and ever hoping to make
complete sense out of everything they hear, read, write or say.  If anything I
think much of it comes from ones own understanding of a language of their own
and inferring as well as possible what something means.  Perfected language is
only a shell for the usual communications everyone make.
Really though, you could write and speak any number of ways in a single
language so it has to be something people convey beyond words.  That's the
trouble though, it's akin to mind-reading too in that one thing can always
mean another.  There's no sure thing about it.
I'll leave you with those thoughts in mind  ;-)  but please do go ahead and
re-read what I just said here and it's probably not going to be what I said
precisely the first time I can almost guarantee.  However the general message
gets through.

[this reply brought to you by the redundant use of other people previous
words]

Bob

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On 3 Jul 2000 17:03:39 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
>tells them what they are doing wrong.
>  I personally would like people telling me if I write something wrong, but
>I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I have
>no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.

Hark and behold! At last there is a man of virtue to stand against the
native speaker lord and tell him of our woes. Alas! as for our brethen
tis already too late, for the shadows of our past have left none
unscarred. Blessed is he who has dwelled among folk of such bravery as
to stand tall and speak up for their hearts, though pain and dismay
their sayings may hold for others, for he has learnt his lesson,
though bitter it may have been, and has become keen in the Western
tongue.

etc.

I am having too much Talkien lately, it seems...


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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