Excellent reply Thorsten!

I don't know that I personally would have put that much effort into this
person.

Hopefully they'll go back to wherever they came from or code the whole thing
up and prove you wrong.

Kudos,
Lee
--
lee### [at] prodigynet

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[rant snipped]

Could someone remind me how to set up a killfile in Outlook Express?

Mark

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> You don't have to be rude to accomplish this!

To lavender: Yeah!

> We make POV-Ray for fun. We make it because we like
> to use it, and we then share it with you.

To POV-Team: God bless you. :)

>We could also charge money for this sharing, not make
> the source code available or just stop distributing it.

To God: May the day never come...

> And people like you who forget that we provide this for free, do the
> work in our spare time we could also spend with our girlfriends, wives
> or children.

To lavender: Yeah! They live in a hole for you! Selfish son of a...

> It tells me that you don't know what you are talking about.

To lavender: And they do, dammit!

> In case you haven't figured it out yet:  WE DO NOT LIKE TO BE PUSHED!!!

To POV-Team: Can we gently nudge you from time to time? :)

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> P.S. Spelling and grammar do count.

F7 in Outlook express will help.

Rick

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> also. They are driven by money. The pov team should be driven by pride.
This is
> a great accomplishment they have in creating a program such as povray with
no
> direct finatial input and limited time. To fall short now is like an
athlete
> training hard and winning some local meets and then going to the olipics
just
> to set in the stands.


I think you fail to realise that pride does not buy food, pay bills and or
taxes.

The povray project does accomplish a vast amount concidering how its
developed, and with every new version i am allways amazed with it (shortly
followed by a need to buy a faster PC)

if povray was a commercial project do you think there would be the open
development we see now? as it stands anyone can take the povray source code,
doctor new features in and release it to the masses, and of course the best
of these features finally make it into the official build.

yes i agree it would be nice to for povray to be a more widely accepted
render platform, and not just a hobbyests toy, but that is not the fault of
the official team. its actually our fault. if we got off our arses and
implamented the features we are complaining that povray lacks then it will
make a world of difference.

just remember povray is essentially free, and as its free no one has any
right to expect the same level of development as a commercial render engine.

the povray team are human as well, they have lives, families and other
commitments that are far more important than meeting our impatient requests
for the moon on a stick.

Rick

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Rick wrote:
> F7 in Outlook express will help.

No, it won't ;-)

Markus

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oops. This is as bad as the language mail...


I was going to answer to this trolling behaviour but thought better of it.

To the Pov-Team:
I'd like once more to thank you for the great work they are doing and
express my profound respect for your labour. Thank you for the hours you
spent and are spending on pov-ray. Thank you for sharing the results.
And I know most pov-ray user feel the same.


Sincerely,


Philippe

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See what happens when you teach a monkey to write!
To the POV Team-
I have studied programming and you all have my deepest respect. Not only for
POV-Ray, but for your charitable act of sharing it at no charge. I have
always wanted to dabble in Raycasting, but I do not want to pay the huge
fees some of the Pro prices (Not to mention the hardware upgrades) for what
to me is a fun hobby. It is my chance to explore art in a way that makes
sense to me. Sadly when ever you put something out there for others to use,
someone comes along and nags. I think the best thing to be done about this
cat is to ignore him so he will just go away!

P.S.
You guys keep up the great work! There are many of us that do thank you and
your efforts.
--
C.J. - POV User
www.crosswinds.net/~povstudy

lavender <lav### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:8F6263A94lavendersmith@204.213.191.228...
> Grand I finally provoke a hidden pov team member to finially come out in
to the
> light and talk to me. I have triied to get this for a while now.
>
> One: Why are you programming POVRAY?
> My hope answer: To produce the best and most capable program to your
abilities.
> Why my stance: The limits you have placed on povray show you amount of
pride in
> your work. If a process is available you should not count it out just
because
> you do not want to put your time into your creation. You should try harder
to
> do what you have set out to do. I complaine about the pov team backing off
of
> their commitment to all of us that use the very program the team created.
It is
> called integraty. If I say I will do something I must do it. If I only go
half
> way I lack integraty.
>
> You claim how difficult it is to do what I have sudjested but I have done
just
> what I have asked with clumsey and slow code. It does not dive directly
into
> the pov code but uses Povray as an engine. That tells me that it is not
that
> difficult to do.
>
> Secondly men where able to send a person to the moon useing a slide rule
so any
> rebuff from the pov team about what can and can not be done is a result of
> their direct willingness to apply the energy required.
>
> One of these post stated that there is no other program that uses network
> rendering over multiple platforms. I would send them to the Newtek site.
>
> http://www.newtek.com
>
> Lightwave has been doing this for a very long time. And yes they have
radiosity
> also. They are driven by money. The pov team should be driven by pride.
This is
> a great accomplishment they have in creating a program such as povray with
no
> direct finatial input and limited time. To fall short now is like an
athlete
> training hard and winning some local meets and then going to the olipics
just
> to set in the stands.
>
> The Pov team has the knowlage and the ability to make Povray the most
powerfull
> program available. They just need to be pushed like an athalete to perform
at
> the level we all know they can reach.

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I must stand here in humble accord and publicly and officially apologize 
for not being smart enough to make my point correctly and offend so many 
people in doing so.

I can explain why I did what I did but for those who where offended I just 
ask for forgivness.

I do know the great degree of effert that has gone into povray. I also know 
of the little return to those that have produced it.

I deal with computers and computer software producers on a dayly bases and 
am having a bit of a problem with why in the year 2000 we have such limited 
system. I know that the pov team must also deal with these stupid 
limitation when trying to develope the program.

I do believe that most of the distributed processes should be in the base 
OS and that povray really should not need it.

I have in the past hunted for some one in the pov team that would reply to 
questions and I was treated rudly by those that did reply. I made 
sudjestintions and was chastized for sudgesting something they obviously 
knew was to hard for them or the systems they where aiming at. I used that 
as an excuse to lower my self to what I thought those I was dealing with 
had reached.

I know that my programming skills are week and that I do not know enough to 
truly contribute to the pov effert.

My only complaint is that with all that povray can do and with all of us 
that use it we still have wants that the pov team has not been able to 
provide for.

An unrelated complaint is that some of the limitaions of povray has nothing 
to do with povray but that modern computers are about 10 years behind what 
they should be. OS's should never crash but they do regularly. I should not 
have to throw away my old computer just because I buy  new one. I am sure 
every one here has these same complaints and do not know who truly to yell 
at about them.

Thses are some of the reasons for my unaproprit comments.


I ask again for the acseptance of my humble apology. The pov team has in my 
opinion produced an extraordinay program that no other program can touch.

I will acnoladge that the povteam does not like to be pushed but I also 
believe that they are talented enough to much more than they have already. 
Maybe some pushing could help them reach much further than just the gold 
ring but much beyond that. I do believe they can do even more than they 
have. I just do not know how to incurage this. I can provide ways for 
increased funds through their own actions but that will be something each 
and every one of us must asses.

Thank you Pov Team for Povray and the loooong hours you have put into it.


As for spelling and grammer I see that as just as warped as trying to 
understand the networked rendering problem. An example: Why is drought 
spelled the way it is when doubt is spelled they way it is and why even 
have letters that you can not hear. This is just as stupid as windows 
always crashing.


I do plan on releasing the utilities that I am working on for distributing 
a rendering over a windows system. Once it is easily useable.

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Bravo! Excellent!

--
Regards,  Sander
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> schreef in berichtnieuws
395bd0fa@news.povray.org...
> In article <8F6263A94lavendersmith@204.213.191.228> ,
> lav### [at] hotmailcom (lavender) wrote:
>
> You don't have to be rude to accomplish this!
> <snip etc>

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