ABX wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:42:19 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> 
> sorry, written in hurry :-(
> 
> http://www.abx.art.pl/pov/patches/
>


Povray 3.5 is only 1 month old, and there is already so much patches!!!
At this rate, even starting to think about 4.0 is a lost of time: by the 
time the first decision is made, there would be a huge amount of patches...

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(first part got lost :-( )

+++ an "RenderaAgent 2" which will automatically force POV-Ray to the 
taskbar :-). (minimize)

> In example I don't want to forbid to login other users during 
rendering.

+++ Is not necessary. At the moment you have to be logged on and POV-Ray 
must be running.

+++ Under Windows XP you have more options cause you can have one users 
programms running while 

+++ another user is logged on. The second user cannot see what programs 
the first user has running.

> What is priority of started pov-ray instance ?

+++ There is a Button "Low Prio." If you press it, the POV Process has 
LOW Priority (under W2k at least).

> How agent behaves when povray crashes during parsing/rendering ?

+++ If the PC crashes, Agent may try a recover.

+++ IF ONLY the POV process is ended, the RenderAgent thinks POV Ray has 
ended (what is infact the case) and continues

+++ so in the later case you have to redo that Job.

> How could I try it withot knowing if I shoud start something ;-)

+++ Download the archive, start the "SMPOV1.exe" it will unpack to all 
the necessary files and the Readme.txt.

> Can I set some priority of agent similiar to priority of POV-Ray 
(render

> priority, gui priority, duty cycles) ?

+++ Currently not, I did not need that till now.

+++ Try the program and find out if you really need more options. Then 
we talk about it for version 2.

+++ Its thinkable that there will be another RenderAgent in a few weeks 
(minimize-Feature?).

> How it behave when some agent would be lost/unplugged ?

+++ Each Agent has 4 Slots. If you plan to "unplug" an Agent, you must 
first unplug the Slots,

+++ then wait till he is ready with the current Job, then you can reboot 
or do whatever.

+++ If you reboot while the Agent is "busy", you must re-start the agent 
after the reboot (for an automatic cleanup)

+++ otherwise your pic would not be complete.

> I know I can find answers installing it but I don't have testing 
network. I have working and important network. I have to know as much as 
possible before

> installation.

+++ I can understand that. Just ask. Its your good right to know all 
necessary before running an "unknownn exe".

+++ Do the following: Run SMPOV.exe on your Main-PC and run ! instance 
of Renderagen on any other PC of your choice.

+++ Remember to share the COM Folder so he is accessible.

+++ Then first try to understand the system with 1 running RenderAgent. 
You'll find it quite simpel after that. 

+++ Then after some time you can put as many Renderagents everywhere in 
your network where you think they are in place.


> Becouse license of programming tool tells different ?

+++ I don't deliver the programming tool. You have to go to 
www.powerbasic.com and buy it for yourself.

+++ However I can do with my program what i want (still ..).

> > ### It is written in Powerbasic 7.0 (see www.Powerbasic.com ).

> 

> I will see waht's that.

+++ Thats recommendable.

+++ If you look in the FORUM you'll see some comments from me.

> > ### The whole project is a few days old now, and I am happy that it 
runs as I wanted.

> so now make it usfull for others :-)

+++ It shall be beautiful too, when I release it. Otherwise the people 
say "oh other fathers have nice daughters too" :-).

> I can't install personal firewall on company database server :-)

+++ I cannot really recommend to put POV 3.5 to rendering on a company 
database-server.

+++ Ok, if its your company. (I know ABB ... But Hmmm ABX ???)

> Again, I prefer to know as much as possible _before_ installation. 
Reading sources could help :-)

+++ Come here and read em, my adress is on the web-site.

+++ they are not secret, I just don't want em to fly away in my name

+++ before they look like something you can give away.

> Since it is different programming platform I doubt it could be easy.

> Better try to investigate windows sources and (if necessary) learn 
C(++) if

> you really want help :-)

+++ I am making big circles round C wheter its ++ or ## ... as often as 
I can :-).

> Oh, I've seen some C++ books on your shelf so perhaps You are already 
ready to code. 

+++ I did that in the past. But in that case I did not want to code but 
get results, 

+++ so I choose PB for the Project.

+++ Small, strong, no installation necessary. Inline ASM when needed. 
Multithreading ...

+++ 128 kb as a result. You can put ten copies on a Floppy-Disk.

+++ Thats code from me.

+++ Short code ... Hmm maybe I should do some funny thing and post the 
code for the render-agent here ... its only a few pages.

+++ But I guess thats OFF-topic ...

If you do it don't forget to announce it to be included in

> http://abx.art.pl/pov/patches/

+++But its not a patch. You'll have to announce it in \Add-On's :-)

--Theo

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Attachments:
Download 'iso-8859-1' (8 KB)

Whatever is ok,
I also must first clean up the WEB-Site.

--Theo

"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D5A5B42.7FEBAA5A@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Theo Gottwald * wrote:
>
> > > Will the above link be your permanent and official website for this
> > > utility or is it likely to change in the future?
> >
> > ## We will hereby decide that this link is permanent, otherwise you
would
> > need to change the links page every week and
> > ## something tells me that you much more intresting things to do :-) !.
> > ## Thanks for putting the Link up, Ken !
>
> Look for it in the next day or two. I'll try to update the site tonight
> when I get home but it may take a while for it to cycle through the
> system.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler

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Patches ...
I don't like patches so much, cause they interfere in a well tested system.

Then often you should have test on the whole system to be shure it works.

So  I decided to make an "Add-On". It does not manipulate anything in
POV 3.5 - just takes it as an Employee ...

So you can take This Add-On as YOUR employee.

--Theo


"Le Forgeron" <jgr### [at] freefr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D5### [at] freefr...
> ABX wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:42:19 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> >
> > sorry, written in hurry :-(
> >
> > http://www.abx.art.pl/pov/patches/
> >
>
>
> Povray 3.5 is only 1 month old, and there is already so much patches!!!
> At this rate, even starting to think about 4.0 is a lost of time: by the
> time the first decision is made, there would be a huge amount of
patches...
>

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:05 +0200, Le Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
> Povray 3.5 is only 1 month old

Sources are even younger.

> and there is already so much patches!!!

There is only 6 patches but multiplied by categorization.

I have list of about ten patches to do but I'm limited becouse can't setup my
favourite enviroment at home. I wonder if I should add place to my site where
people could add requests and own plans.

> At this rate, even starting to think about 4.0 is a lost of time: by the 
> time the first decision is made, there would be a huge amount of patches...

Should patch writers stop ?

ABX

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:28:45 +0200, "Theo Gottwald *"
<The### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > In example I don't want to forbid to login other users during rendering.
>
> Is not necessary. At the moment you have to be logged on and POV-Ray must be
running.
> Under Windows XP you have more options cause you can have one users programms
running while 
> another user is logged on. The second user cannot see what programs the first user
has running.

I don't have Windows XP. I have a few admins and each one login for his tasks.
I don't want each user to be logged all the time. I don't want to not use
power when nobody is logged.

> > How agent behaves when povray crashes during parsing/rendering ?
>
> If the PC crashes, Agent may try a recover.

will agent start automatically ?

> IF ONLY the POV process is ended, the RenderAgent thinks POV Ray has ended (what is
infact the case) and continues

can't it validate image if it is correct ?

> > How could I try it withot knowing if I shoud start something ;-)
>
> Download the archive, start the "SMPOV1.exe" it will unpack to all the necessary
files and the Readme.txt.

Can you distribute it as zip ? Have I really to start exe to get txt ?

> > Can I set some priority of agent similiar to priority of POV-Ray (render
> > priority, gui priority, duty cycles) ?
>
> Currently not, I did not need that till now.

That's a useful feature.

> > How it behave when some agent would be lost/unplugged ?
>
> If you plan to "unplug" an Agent

I don't mean intentional unplugging but crash of computer or kill from other
user.

> > I know I can find answers installing it but I don't have testing network. I have
working and important network. I have to know as much as possible before
> > installation.
>
> I can understand that. Just ask. Its your good right to know all necessary before
running an "unknownn exe".
> Do the following: Run SMPOV.exe on your Main-PC and run !

isn't SMPOV.exe kind of "unknownn exe" ?

> > Becouse license of programming tool tells different ?
>
> I don't deliver the programming tool.

You use programming tool according to its license but I suppose if you have it
legal you distribute it legal.

> > I can't install personal firewall on company database server :-)
>
> I cannot really recommend to put POV 3.5 to rendering on a company database-server.

Why ? With low priority and with save settings on system...
My database-server has 2 GB RAM, 2 procs, >1GHz only 4% of power used for
database. If I can use it safe why not ? The question is: can I use it safe ?

> Small, strong, no installation necessary. Inline ASM when needed. Multithreading ...

...not portable, compiler dependand, community with interest is different than
community with programming knowledge

> Thats code from me.

Isn't that only calls to runtime library ?

ABX

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Maybe my last comment was not qualified. I did not see those patches before.

Now I've looked up the page and I think maybe these patches are necessary.

To ABX: Can I get a SP 1 when its ready :-) ?

--Theo


"Theo Gottwald *" <The### [at] t-onlinede> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3d5a6a39$1@news.povray.org...
> Patches ...
> I don't like patches so much, cause they interfere in a well tested
system.
>
> Then often you should have test on the whole system to be shure it works.
>
> So  I decided to make an "Add-On". It does not manipulate anything in
> POV 3.5 - just takes it as an Employee ...
>
> So you can take This Add-On as YOUR employee.
>
> --Theo
>
>
> "Le Forgeron" <jgr### [at] freefr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3D5### [at] freefr...
> > ABX wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:42:19 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry, written in hurry :-(
> > >
> > > http://www.abx.art.pl/pov/patches/
> > >
> >
> >
> > Povray 3.5 is only 1 month old, and there is already so much patches!!!
> > At this rate, even starting to think about 4.0 is a lost of time: by the
> > time the first decision is made, there would be a huge amount of
> patches...
> >
>
>

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Theo, just checking, but this will work on a dual-processor, single, PC
correct? That would be great.
D.

"Theo Gottwald *" <The### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
news:3d5a3aa4$1@news.povray.org...
> SMPOV (128 kb alltogether) is ready in Version 1
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Mabe you have heared that this or the other Rendering-program can
distribute
> Rendering on "8 PC's or 16 PC's at the same time".
>
> Download this 129 kb und you can render your next picture on 100 PC's at
the
> same time
>  AND you can use all local avaible CPU's. = distributed computing.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> This new Version includes:
>
> - Simple "drag 'n drop" user-Interface. Drop your file in, get a pic out.
>
> - Render your picture on as many CPU's as you can get.
>    No diffrence if they are local or in any PC in the Network.
>
> -  full support for Animations.inclusiive "SubSet of Frames"-rendering.
> (!NEW!)
>
> - All explanations in english PLUS english Readme.txt with an detailed,
> in-depth explanation (as good as I can :-).
>
> - Can tile one picture up to 25x25 (=625 tiles) (each rendered somewhere
> else :-).
>
> - High-Speed picture-appender (puts 100 Tiles together while you hold your
> breath).
>
> - fully multithreaded (look in the Taskmanager how many threads SMPOV
has).
> - Reset-proof (tries to recover after a system-crash - includes the
> RenderAgents on the Clients) (!NEW!)
> - "Common.ini" - File where you can set genreal "INI"-options for all
> rendered Files
>
> Further:
> - no need of any instrallation under W2k
> - no Need of any installation on any Client-PC (I did not test it under
W9x
> however).
> - You can also use the program to distribute Full pictures to other PC's
for
> rendering.
>
> AND THE BEST:                                      ITS FREE.
> Its my contribution to those people who gave me the POV 3.5 for free - the
> best Raytracing Programm I know. (I have increased the
 dispersion_samples -
> now I see the rainbow colours !).
>
> MY QUESTION:
> What is the preferred way to inform interested people that the program
> exists ?
> FAQ, WEB-Site ? Can there be a link somewhere on the POV-Site ?
>
> PLEASE:
> report your experiences to me.
>
> THE current place where i put it WEB SITE:
> Download-Link:SMPOV
> http://www.it-berater.org/smpov1.exe
>
> Runtimes (install only if needed) !
> http://www.it-berater.or/runtimes.exe
>
> Explanation and screen-shots (at time of this writing in work):
> http://www.it-berater.org/smpov.htm
>
>
> Why I need this program (Look the pic):
> http://www.theogott.de/seite1.htm
>
>
> --Theo Gottwald
> ---------------------
> 6.4 GHz alltogether for POV 3.5
>
>
>
>
>
>

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ABX wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:05 +0200, Le Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
> 

>>and there is already so much patches!!!
>>
> 
> There is only 6 patches but multiplied by categorization.
> 


The first time I looked at it, there were only three. And that was not 
so long time ago. Today 6, looks like they are multiplying like rabbits.


> I have list of about ten patches to do but I'm limited becouse can't setup my
> favourite enviroment at home. I wonder if I should add place to my site where
> people could add requests and own plans.
> 


That would be a good idea, avoiding people to go in a somehow similar 
direction with not-compatible ideas.

Then you would get a tons of non-programmers pushing for one or another 
on your agenda!
Soon, opposite supporters will make riot and kidnap free programmers.


> 
>>At this rate, even starting to think about 4.0 is a lost of time: by the 
>>time the first decision is made, there would be a huge amount of patches...
>>
> 
> Should patch writers stop ?


No, of course not.
It would just make the work of povteam more difficult if the concepts 
are moving too much.
I believe there will be a high number of patches right after the source 
code, and then things will calm down. Then it will be time...

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