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From: BEARlabs
Subject: --> Help! INSTALL = Kernel32.dll crash <---
Date: 20 Nov 2000 22:01:04
Message: <3A19E535.D38D280D@coollink.net>
Help!

i've finally *found* POV - after wishing for a raytracer for too long..

after the down load and getting to the install screen and clicking it
crashes
instantly, here's the message:

    POVWIN3 caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff7a783.
Registers:
EAX=0063d543 CS=0177 EIP=bff7a783 EFLGS=00010246
EBX=00000000 SS=017f ESP=0063d364 EBP=0063d3e8
ECX=f4286235 DS=017f ESI=0063d5a0 FS=448f
EDX=bffc9b24 ES=017f EDI=f4286235 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
38 01 75 61 80 3e 00 74 5c 46 47 8a 06 38 07 75
Stack dump:
0000000a 81b4fbf8 0063d527 575c3a43 4f444e49 575c5357 4c484e49 2e323350
81b124dc 00000000 816424cc 0041000c cb6d2db0 0063d3bc bff7a0fe 0063d5b3

What's up with this? It may not be unique to POV...(?)

In anyevent how to fix, and what's wrong... not terribly familliar with
the inner workings
of Windows 98...

Feel free to email or post...

Thanks,

        _-_-bear


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From: Pabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! INSTALL = Kernel32.dll crash <---
Date: 20 Nov 2000 22:50:09
Message: <3A19F141.D6960F4B@hotmail.com>
BEARlabs wrote:

> Help!

I'll try

> i've finally *found* POV - after wishing for a raytracer for too long..

Hi & welcome to the POV community
You'll want to suscribe to povray.binaries.images & .animations,
povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions & ask your questions
relating to pov in povray.newusers,
look at Warp's VFAQ (http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/povVFAQ.html),
check out MegaPOV (http://nathan.kopp.com/patched.html),
check out moray (http://www.stmuc.com/moray/) as a modeller and
look through the links at povray.org/links/ (Thanks uncle Ken) for other
resources.
Also the IRTC http://www.irtc.org) is a competition you may want to enter
later on.
BTW POV3.5 may be out soon.

> after the down load and getting to the install screen and clicking it
> crashes instantly.
> What's up with this? It may not be unique to POV...(?)
> In anyevent how to fix, and what's wrong...

I have never heard of anything like this before.
Could be something to do with the download - their may have been some data
error.
Before redownloading from your closest mirror try using the same installer
on another
windows machine, try rebooting a few times and then installing, try
reinstalling other software
etc to find out where the problem is.

> not terribly familliar with the inner workings of Windoze 98...

Only Bill Gate$ & his buddies are :) - use Linux & Wine instead.
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Pabs


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From: Pabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! INSTALL = Kernel32.dll crash <---
Date: 21 Nov 2000 00:04:40
Message: <3A1A02B7.EB2A2667@hotmail.com>
Also don't post the same message in more than one group unless it is
cross-posted.
This means that only 1 copy of the message will reside on the server &
precious space will be saved.
--
Bye
Pabs


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From: Bob H 
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 03:50:42
Message: <3a1a3762$1@news.povray.org>
Might be a faulty install file (redownload needed) as Pabs suggests; but just in case,
you should check your
system out there in the usual manner, doing a scandisk and defrag.  Also try
Start|Run... SFC  to do a system
file check.  The problem could be in your computer as you said.  Memory swapping
trouble during install
execution or something.
I just found a great web page for help on the "kernel":
http://www.windowstrouble.com/kernel32dll.shtml

Bob


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From: Bob H 
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 04:03:12
Message: <3a1a3a50@news.povray.org>
Just to add a note here:  if you use SFC (Win98 is only OS I know of that has that)
then be judicial about it's
use.  No need to roll back time on DLLs and cause reinstalls of the rest of your
software after all.


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From: BEARlabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 09:34:37
Message: <3A1A87C1.DB866617@coollink.net>
"Bob H." wrote:

> Might be a faulty install file (redownload needed) as Pabs suggests; but just in
case, you should check your
> system out there in the usual manner, doing a scandisk and defrag.

Ummm... problem there... defrag does not seem to want to work - apparently it stops if
there is anything
writing to the disc, and *something* seems to make the disc lite "beep" every 15 secs
or so, I have no idea
how to keep this from happening - yes all windows are closed. Is there any way to
*determine* what is
talking to the disc?? Nor do I know if this is the problem.

A just aquired copy of Norton Utilities 2001 also does not install - with the SAME
error message!
(not looking good now, eh?)

Also, while the windows fix area of the CD runs fine from the CD (wierd isn't it),
"Disk Doctor" doesn't
get going since it too stops if there is a write to the disc, and yes there seems to
be a write to the disc!!
(you'd think they'd write a utility to tell the user what's doing it...)



> Also try Start|Run... SFC  to do a system

What is SFC?? (i presume "system file check") but what is it called, and how is it
controlled?

Scandisc runs "regularly" on this computer, since often on shutdown and then a
subsequent start, it
seems to think that it wasn't shut down right... the OS was replaced from the CD once
after it got
corrupted, early on, (geez, isn't there a way to replace all or part of the OS, like
on a Mac without
scrubbing the friggin disc??) [arrrgh!] and it ran the same way before and after...

>
> file check.  The problem could be in your computer as you said.  Memory swapping
trouble during install
> execution or something.
> I just found a great web page for help on the "kernel":
http://www.windowstrouble.com/kernel32dll.shtml

I'll check this...

>
>
> Bob

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From: BEARlabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:38:33
Message: <3A1ADD05.14B1E882@coollink.net>
The endless ennui of windoze goes on:

I defragged using the proceedures in the windowstrouble website - also
ran
SFC... that revealed possible "Windows/System" file corrupted - oh
great....

Apparently my OEM System CDR puts "CABS" in a subdirectory, so you can
extract files to fix bad ones from there... did that for Kernel32.dll,
Taskmon.exe
(the latter gave a Kernel32.dll error), and Vmm32.vxd, for good luck...

no change.

Also deleted the Win386.swp swap file and emptied the temp directory...

no luck.

But the computer still works, so that is good.

The windowstrouble website is good... read most of it.

It seems to me that the ONLY way to run windows98 is to have a SEPARATE
physical drive for the OS, and a large drive for everything else. Then
set up your
file system so that there are separate folders in one place with all the
nice zipped
downloads, and in one place with all the setup files neatly arrayed...
NOT like the
stupid thing comes from the factory... dumb and dumber...

Looks like I'll have to spend a few days doing this... of course there
is tons of interminable
and indeterminable files dumped hither and yon by all sorts of things
(what is all this
chaff??)

I think the windowstrouble site gave a way to reinstall the system and
keep your
preferences - wouldn't that be nice. Oddly, on a mac it is all
transparent - or it was
last time I looked. Isn't MS-DOS based software just GREAT!!

Anyone have any other ideas, before I go forward and have to re-install
my entire
(so-called) system??

            _-_-bear


BEARlabs wrote:

>
>
> "Bob H." wrote:
>
>> Might be a faulty install file (redownload needed) as Pabs suggests;
>> but just in case, you should check your
>> system out there in the usual manner, doing a scandisk and defrag.
>
> Ummm... problem there... defrag does not seem to want to work -
> apparently it stops if there is anything
> writing to the disc, and *something* seems to make the disc lite
> "beep" every 15 secs or so, I have no idea
> how to keep this from happening - yes all windows are closed. Is there
> any way to *determine* what is
> talking to the disc?? Nor do I know if this is the problem.
>
> A just aquired copy of Norton Utilities 2001 also does not install -
> with the SAME error message!
> (not looking good now, eh?)
>
> Also, while the windows fix area of the CD runs fine from the CD
> (wierd isn't it), "Disk Doctor" doesn't
> get going since it too stops if there is a write to the disc, and yes
> there seems to be a write to the disc!!
> (you'd think they'd write a utility to tell the user what's doing
> it...)
>
>
>
>> Also try Start|Run... SFC  to do a system
>
> What is SFC?? (i presume "system file check") but what is it called,
> and how is it controlled?
>
> Scandisc runs "regularly" on this computer, since often on shutdown
> and then a subsequent start, it
> seems to think that it wasn't shut down right... the OS was replaced
> from the CD once after it got
> corrupted, early on, (geez, isn't there a way to replace all or part
> of the OS, like on a Mac without
> scrubbing the friggin disc??) [arrrgh!] and it ran the same way before
> and after...
>
>>
>> file check.  The problem could be in your computer as you said.
>> Memory swapping trouble during install
>> execution or something.
>> I just found a great web page for help on the "kernel":
>> http://www.windowstrouble.com/kernel32dll.shtml
>
> I'll check this...
>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>
> --
>              _-_-   BEAR Labs
>  "Custom Handcrafted Audio Components & Cables"
>

--
             _-_-   BEAR Labs
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From: Ken
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 21:11:11
Message: <3A1B2BD0.1F20392A@pacbell.net>
BEARlabs wrote:

> I think the windowstrouble site gave a way to reinstall the system and
> keep your
> preferences - wouldn't that be nice. Oddly, on a mac it is all
> transparent - or it was
> last time I looked. Isn't MS-DOS based software just GREAT!!
> 
> Anyone have any other ideas, before I go forward and have to re-install
> my entire (so-called) system??

No advice to give but I have on more than one occassion did a
reinstall over the existing version and never suffered a loss
because of it.

-- 
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Pabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 22 Nov 2000 00:54:51
Message: <3A1B5FFD.629B637E@hotmail.com>
Some more things people in these groups dislike:
- Posting in HTML - Grrrr
- Quoting other peoples sigs without responding to them
- Posting binaries outside of povray.binaries.*/p.off-topic
- Various other things you will soon get to know

--
Bye
Pabs


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From: BEARlabs
Subject: Re: --> Help! (?)
Date: 22 Nov 2000 12:05:31
Message: <3A1BFC97.CAF14BD9@coollink.net>
Sorry for the HTML posting... I don't like that either -
Netscape is *supposed* to ask before sending - I didn't write the code,
it doesn't seem to do this all the time...

So far as the other things, I didn't think that I have done any of them
yet...

:-)

        _-_-

Pabs wrote:

> Some more things people in these groups dislike:
> - Posting in HTML - Grrrr
> - Quoting other peoples sigs without responding to them
> - Posting binaries outside of povray.binaries.*/p.off-topic
> - Various other things you will soon get to know
>
> --
> Bye
> Pabs

--
             _-_-   BEAR Labs
 "Custom Handcrafted Audio Components & Cables"


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