Among other things, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> I don't mind all the floating stuff, except it takes up room it doesn't
> need to when I am not actually using it and you can't get the main image
> window to behave in anything even approaching a sane and usable way as it
> exists. I much prefer PSP. Imho.. If Gimp's main tool window was smaller,
> taking up only the top of the screen, its other gadgets where drop down,
> that just showed the basic title of the toolset, these things remained
> floating on the 'top' of the other windows and Gimp was smart enough to
> 'tile' or 'stack' images in the space below the main toolbar (and to not
> screw up the tiling if you zoom in or out on one of the images), I would
> have been quite happy.

In case you don't know/remember: You can "roll up" windows in KDE, just 
double-click the title bar (I think that's the default) and the window will 
shrink to it, then just hover the mouse for a couple of moments on the 
titlebar and it will unroll.

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:09:52 +0100, Florian Brucker
<tor### [at] torfboldcom> wrote:

>At first, I thought it to be very annoying, too. And I still think it's 
>annoying when I try to use Gimp with my mouse only. But when you use 
>your keyboard a lot, it really gets better (Although it's a shame that 
>there is no shortcut for the tool's option dialog).

Unless you accidentally lose focus while working with the keyboard and
your left palm or thumb base touches the touchpad (happens to me a
lot). Does not happen if it works in a nested server.

>And if we are talking about annoying Gimp features

We are not, at least it is not my intention to. I suggested a tip to
overcome one particular feature of the GIMP (which can help for other
programs, too) and it branched into a GUI discussion. But we're not
bashing on the GIMP per se.


>the "Interface Hall of Shame" (http://tinyurl.com/nc3q always worth
>a visit to see how you should *not* do it).

Definitely so!


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Warp wrote:
>   I usually run Gimp in its own virtual desktop (with no other
> applications running in the same desktop). Should be as good as
> a root windowed version...
> 

I'm doing this too. I'm using WindowMaker, and for all the applications 
I disabled the title bars, disabled the resize bars, disabled the 
borders, I activated the "focus follow mouse"; everything works fine and 
I dont waste screen space !

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Florian Brucker <tor### [at] torfboldcom> wrote:
> Perhaps 
> he should be forced to use all the programs described in the "Interface 
> Hall of Shame" (http://tinyurl.com/nc3q always worth a visit to see how 
> you should *not* do it).

  It's a shame it has been last updated almost 4 years ago... (It would be
very nice to see a commentary on eg. the Windows XP GUI etc, but apparently
they just stopped updating that site long time ago.)

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In article <405a1f80@news.povray.org>, jel### [at] M-yahoocom says...
> Among other things, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> 
> > I don't mind all the floating stuff, except it takes up room it doesn't
> > need to when I am not actually using it and you can't get the main image
> > window to behave in anything even approaching a sane and usable way as it
> > exists. I much prefer PSP. Imho.. If Gimp's main tool window was smaller,
> > taking up only the top of the screen, its other gadgets where drop down,
> > that just showed the basic title of the toolset, these things remained
> > floating on the 'top' of the other windows and Gimp was smart enough to
> > 'tile' or 'stack' images in the space below the main toolbar (and to not
> > screw up the tiling if you zoom in or out on one of the images), I would
> > have been quite happy.
> 
> In case you don't know/remember: You can "roll up" windows in KDE, just 
> double-click the title bar (I think that's the default) and the window will 
> shrink to it, then just hover the mouse for a couple of moments on the 
> titlebar and it will unroll.
> 
Hmm. Interesting.. The only issue here is that I was trying to use Gimp 
on Windows, since I don't have a licensed version of PSP for both of the 
machines I need a graphic editor on. Of course Gimp malfunctions on 98, 
so that really didn't help me much. But nice to know that feature exists 
under KDE. If Gimp worked right for me under 98, I would check to see if 
it did there too, but I think I am better off just deleting it. They 
don't recommend using the Windows version on Pre-NT systems anyway. :(

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Warp wrote:
>   I usually run Gimp in its own virtual desktop (with no other
> applications running in the same desktop). Should be as good as
> a root windowed version...
> 

Me too, the images dialog helps with many images also.

An other option I became to use a lot is to put different images
into layers of the same gimp image.
This gives a similar behavior like root window style but
one can compare images on the fly just by comparing pixel values
by setting the appropriate layer mode.
You can also copy parts of a layer, make it invisible
(in the layer dialog) and paste it into an other layer.
This works fine if you have images with similar resolutions.
The gimp image then has to have the dimensions of the largest image...

Regards,
Sebastian H.

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