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SharkD <mik### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> The only POV users who are actually collaborating on anything seem to be
> the developers. They probably already have a preferred means of
> communicating with each other.
>
> Mike
Not many will collaborate on a big project for fear of either disappointing or
being disappointed by someone in another time zone, who might turn out be a
Turing machine anyway.
Can Google Wave allow for an organic, stone-soup collaboration, where you can
eventually fork and drop in/out, vote people off the island, without worrying
about meeting your buddy's expectations (as would be case in 1:1 collaboration
to meet a specific submission deadline?) People start out mindlessly throwing in
reflective spheres, and then suddenly someone divulges a really cool algo, and
suddenly you've got a macro or solved a big problem.
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On 11/14/2009 3:46 PM, gregjohn wrote:
> Hi, if I had any invites, I'd be sure to save a good portion for povray
> enthusiasts, because it's like the only practical application I can think of for
> it right now. Want to have a thread where folks may beg for invites?
>
> I've got it. My userid in google wave space is the same as that listed here as
> an email address for me.
>
Does Google Wave have an SVN feature or something like it? I actually
had been considering restarting the LDraw Datsville project which has
kind of died.
Mike
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SharkD wrote:
> Does Google Wave have an SVN feature or something like it? I actually
> had been considering restarting the LDraw Datsville project which has
> kind of died.
No, it doesn't. Wave is comparable to *email*.
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On 11/17/2009 1:36 AM, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> SharkD wrote:
>> Does Google Wave have an SVN feature or something like it? I actually
>> had been considering restarting the LDraw Datsville project which has
>> kind of died.
>
> No, it doesn't. Wave is comparable to *email*.
>
How about Google Code? Is that similar to Sourceforge? Does it integrate
with Google Wave?
Mike
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SharkD wrote:
> On 11/17/2009 1:36 AM, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> SharkD wrote:
>>> Does Google Wave have an SVN feature or something like it? I actually
>>> had been considering restarting the LDraw Datsville project which has
>>> kind of died.
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Wave is comparable to *email*.
>>
> How about Google Code? Is that similar to Sourceforge?
Yes, it is.
> Does it integrate with Google Wave?
I don't know of *anything* that integrates with Wave at this point.
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andrel wrote:
>
> I think I heard somewhere in the video that some things require
> extensions to the http protocol and that they have a proposal for that
> in place.
Possibly. I don't hear the video - while I have 2 sound cards, sounds in
flash is out of the question. It can't use the secondary card. Somekind
of pulseaudio wank could work, but I'm too lazy for that, since needing
sounds in flash is extremely rare.
>> With Wave you choose recipients, like with email. With NNTP you choose
>> just a "forum" and it's free for practically anyone to read if (s)he
>> chooses to do so. There is a major difference.
>
> It is that everybody is able to write anonymously that implies SPAM and
> that has already killed a few newsgroups. Because nobody wants to say
> something that they feel is important just to have it drowned in SPAM.
True. But the difference between mail (wave) and NNTP (eg. web forums)
stay the same.
> This technology could function sort of like a newsgroup, but with known
> contributors. Finding that balance between open for everybody even under
> an assumed name and being resistant to SPAM will be difficult. I admit.
> But let's see how they will handle that.
Possibly, if you can add recipients afterwards, but also that puts the
jobload over you. With newsgroups/forums usually anyone can join the
system and also read the messages from the past.
-Aero
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
>
> That's merely an implementation issue. Their goal is for it even to
> work on console systems (of course, many features just wouldn't work then).
I talked with Bliz about wave in IRC yesterday. I think we came to the
conclusion that if Google releases the protocol as a free one, it might
be pretty good system. Otherwise, if it stays leaning to only Google,
it's not a system I want to use.
> I haven't used it. Hence my saying that _if_ they can deliver what
> they promised...
I've tried, but I haven't been able to actually use it yet :).
> I'm not sure there's a major difference. Put the Wave info on a web
> site (e.g. the POV-Ray web site). Anyone who wants to join simply joins
> it (like a mailing list). The info is all archived on the server. I
> don't know if it can handle moderation, though.
From the moment I tried using it, I actually did have to choose the
recipients. I didn't find a way eg. search for a wave and join in, OTOH
it might be that it doesn't relieve such options for me, after all it
didn't work when I tried it :-).
-Aero
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On 11/19/09 12:03, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I talked with Bliz about wave in IRC yesterday. I think we came to the
> conclusion that if Google releases the protocol as a free one, it might
> be pretty good system. Otherwise, if it stays leaning to only Google,
> it's not a system I want to use.
The plan _is_ to release the protocol for free. Is there some
technicality that I'm unaware of?
>> I'm not sure there's a major difference. Put the Wave info on a web
>> site (e.g. the POV-Ray web site). Anyone who wants to join simply joins
>> it (like a mailing list). The info is all archived on the server. I
>> don't know if it can handle moderation, though.
>
> From the moment I tried using it, I actually did have to choose the
> recipients. I didn't find a way eg. search for a wave and join in, OTOH
Nor did you search for the POV-Ray newsgroups. You found it by going to
the POV-Ray web site. Same thing here.
--
I didn't know my husband drank until one day he came home sober.
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:36:19 -0600, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 11/19/09 12:03, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> I talked with Bliz about wave in IRC yesterday. I think we came to the
>> conclusion that if Google releases the protocol as a free one, it might
>> be pretty good system. Otherwise, if it stays leaning to only Google,
>> it's not a system I want to use.
>
> The plan _is_ to release the protocol for free. Is there some
> technicality that I'm unaware of?
The protocol is actually available now; Novell are developing a server
for use in the enterprise space called "Pulse" using the specifications
that are already out there....
Jim
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
>
> The plan _is_ to release the protocol for free. Is there some
> technicality that I'm unaware of?
Ok. I'm not aware of everything, haven't had inspiration to dig through
all the docs etc. This is the first time I've heard of planning to
releasing the protocol itself, which IMO sounds good.
>> From the moment I tried using it, I actually did have to choose the
>> recipients. I didn't find a way eg. search for a wave and join in, OTOH
>
> Nor did you search for the POV-Ray newsgroups. You found it by going
> to the POV-Ray web site. Same thing here.
Well yes, but after adding news.povray.org to my newsreader and
subscribing to povray.binaries.images I could read also the messages
from the past. The messages which wasn't sent especially to me, since
no-one here knew I even existed. This is not possible with mailing
lists, if otherwise available archives aren't counted in.
Even today, you didn't choose me to be recipient of this message, nor
did gregjohn at the beginning of the thread (which, in my understanding,
equals a wave). Still I can see both these messages, since I've
subscribed to a group, which this thread is sent to.
From wave I've got the impression that it works like a mailing list, but
holding information of message threading.
-Aero
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