On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:18:02 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> Yes, but would an Englishman know?
>> 
>> No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
>> English, as they are pronounced in France. For instance Paris is not "Paree",
>> filet is fill-et etc.
>
>One thing I discovered while in Switzerland: You have to say French 
>words with an actual French accent, or people don't know WTF you're saying.
>

Never :)

>Yeah, I know, it sounds obvious. But the number of English people who 
>think it's "bon-jor" when in fact what I heard the people there utterly 
>sounded nothing like that...

Oh reservoir.
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     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:

> Oh reservoir.

Hahahaha! You loon!!

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:24:51 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>> No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
>> English, as they are pronounced in France.
>
>Funny that. Try pronouncing a French or English word here as if it is 
>Dutch and see how people react. In fact as a Dutch person you are 
>assumed to know which words come from which language and change 
>pronunciation rules in midsentence as required. 

I know. I once heard a woman use three languages in one sentence at Eindhoven
railway station. French, Dutch and English. 

>Only words that have 
>been incorporated in the language for a long time get assimilated 
>somewhat. We do write 'buro' nowadays and not 'bureau', but I have yet 
>to see a newspaper write 'kompjoeter', unless for humoristic affect.
>

I like the Dutch sense of humour
.
>>  For instance Paris is not "Paree", filet is fill-et etc.
>Paris is not a good example as we do have a Dutch word for it: 'Parijs', 
>with a 'ij' vowel that you nor a French person can pronounce correctly.

Probably true :)
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     Stephen

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:44:58 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> Oh reservoir.
>
>Hahahaha! You loon!!

Not me but E F Benson in the Mapp and Lucia novels.
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     Stephen

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> I know. I once heard a woman use three languages in one sentence at 
> Eindhoven
> railway station. French, Dutch and English.

Or the guy who bumped into me in a bakery that then proceeded to use 4 
different languages in sequence until I acknowledged him :-)

>>to see a newspaper write 'kompjoeter', unless for humoristic affect.
>>
>
> I like the Dutch sense of humour

I always like to annoy my German teach by deliberately (incorrectly) 
pronouncing obviously-foreign words the German way.  Although admittedly 
sometimes it is hard to know which foreign words to pronounce their way or 
the original way.  But still I can't help myself when I see "Job", it's just 
crying out to be pronounced "Yob" :-)

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On 2/20/2009 1:58 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends". However, that
> particular song spent months at or near the top of the UK charts. Still,
> the tune is probably more memorable than the actual words...

And when was the last time I paid attention to the UK charts?

I've never heard of either the band, or the song.

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On 2/20/2009 1:08 AM, Invisible wrote:
> (Most of the replies mumbled something about "Usenet". I have no idea
> what that is or why that's relevant.)

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=usenet

People often think that NNTP = Usenet, which is not true (the POV 
server, for instance, is specifically NOT a part of Usenet).  However, 
it IS true that NNTP and Usenet were created side by side.

Usenet is a big part of the Internet's history; I'd suggest you read up 
on it a bit.

The problem with it now, of course, is that it's been taken over almost 
entirely by spammers, trolls, and warez.  Not to mention, you have to 
have a 3-inch thick flame-retardant skin to frequent many groups, due to 
the high aggressiveness of the participants.

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>> (Most of the replies mumbled something about "Usenet". I have no idea
>> what that is or why that's relevant.)
> 
> People often think that NNTP = Usenet, which is not true.

I see.

> The problem with it now, of course, is that it's been taken over almost 
> entirely by spammers, trolls, and warez.  Not to mention, you have to 
> have a 3-inch thick flame-retardant skin to frequent many groups, due to 
> the high aggressiveness of the participants.

Heh. Sometimes the Haskell list makes me feel a bit like that. (Although 
it's certainly nowhere near as bad as it could be...)

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:08:09 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Somebody pointed out that a web-based forum forces you to use one
> specific UI - the web forum. On the other hand, NNTP can be used from
> *any* suitable client. It can also be easily archived and so forth.
> Which seems like a valid point to me.
> 
> I'm still not understanding why NNTP isn't a valid solution...

In my experience, the usual reason change isn't a valid solution is 
"because we're used to what we have".

So perhaps what they - or perhaps someone else - needs to set up a 
gateway account using news.gmane.org. :-)

Jim

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:48:48 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Clique -- A close-knit, usually exclusionary, group.
>> 
>> Oh. Right.
>> 
>> How the heck do you pronounce that?
> 
> Wikipedia claims it's /'kliːk/ (i.e, "kleek"). Obviously Wikipedia is
> never wrong.

FWIW, that's how I've heard it pronounced.

Jim

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