On 20-2-2009 11:34, andrel wrote:
>
> 
> There's a lot of people here that are friend enough 
> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. 

BTW I have now switched to the album Moving Pictures by Rush. After that 
it will be another moving album, Moving Hearts this time by the band 
with the same name.

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>> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends". 
> 
> That is not true. There's a lot of people here that are friend enough 
> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. And I 
> think they did. Someone also introduced you to organ music.

I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and 
hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.

>> However, that particular song spent months at or near the top of the 
>> UK charts. Still, the tune is probably more memorable than the actual 
>> words...
> 
> Probably long after the time when I was still listening to the radio 
> regularly. I stopped at the rise of Hiphop and such, when the majority 
> of 'songs' on the radio were performed by people that could not play an 
> instrument or sing. So my knowledge of popular music is very sketchy 
> after, say, 1990.

Ooo, you just missed it. Insomnia was 1995.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(Faithless_song)

For a few months it was everywhere. And then a whole slew of copycats 
followed it. (It used a distinctive pizzicato synch patch that 
subsequently appeared everywhere.) Heck, if it managed to get its own 
Wikipedia page, it must be moderately cult. ;-)

> I see you resisted finding out who Hildegard was. ;)

Weird thing: I have trouble remembering words I can't pronounce. I have 
no idea why that would be...

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:23:00 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>>> Is that the standard English pronunciation or the standard French, or 
>>> that by Englishmen who tries to imitate the French?
>> 
>> In French the i is not really longer than average, the pronunciation is 
>> /klik/.
>> 
>Yes, but would an Englishman know?

No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
English, as they are pronounced in France. For instance Paris is not "Paree",
filet is fill-et etc.
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Regards
     Stephen

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On 20-2-2009 11:50, Invisible wrote:
>>> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends". 
>>
>> That is not true. There's a lot of people here that are friend enough 
>> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. And I 
>> think they did. Someone also introduced you to organ music.
> 
> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and 
> hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.

Guess what, me too. ;)

>>> However, that particular song spent months at or near the top of the 
>>> UK charts. Still, the tune is probably more memorable than the actual 
>>> words...
>>
>> Probably long after the time when I was still listening to the radio 
>> regularly. I stopped at the rise of Hiphop and such, when the majority 
>> of 'songs' on the radio were performed by people that could not play 
>> an instrument or sing. So my knowledge of popular music is very 
>> sketchy after, say, 1990.
> 
> Ooo, you just missed it. Insomnia was 1995.

Just? by a many years.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(Faithless_song)

Ok, I tried youtube. Never heard it before, I guess. Don't want to hear 
it again. Typical of the type of music that made me turn away from the 
radio.
Back to Moving Hearts for me.

> For a few months it was everywhere. And then a whole slew of copycats 
> followed it. (It used a distinctive pizzicato synch patch that 
> subsequently appeared everywhere.) 

Are you sure they were the first to use something like that?

> Heck, if it managed to get its own 
> Wikipedia page, it must be moderately cult. ;-)
> 
>> I see you resisted finding out who Hildegard was. ;)
> 
> Weird thing: I have trouble remembering words I can't pronounce. I have 
> no idea why that would be...

Ok, I'll help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen

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>> Yes, but would an Englishman know?
> 
> No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
> English, as they are pronounced in France. For instance Paris is not "Paree",
> filet is fill-et etc.

One thing I discovered while in Switzerland: You have to say French 
words with an actual French accent, or people don't know WTF you're saying.

Yeah, I know, it sounds obvious. But the number of English people who 
think it's "bon-jor" when in fact what I heard the people there utterly 
sounded nothing like that...

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>> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and 
>> hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.
> 
> Guess what, me too. ;)

Heh, but was that by choice?

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(Faithless_song)
> 
> Ok, I tried youtube. Never heard it before, I guess. Don't want to hear 
> it again. Typical of the type of music that made me turn away from the 
> radio.
> Back to Moving Hearts for me.

I didn't say it was good, I said it was popular. ;-)

>> For a few months it was everywhere. And then a whole slew of copycats 
>> followed it. (It used a distinctive pizzicato synch patch that 
>> subsequently appeared everywhere.) 
> 
> Are you sure they were the first to use something like that?

Probably not, but it suddenly became wildly more popular after they did 
it. For a while. And eventually it kinda died back again.

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On 20-2-2009 12:06, Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:23:00 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> 
>>>> Is that the standard English pronunciation or the standard French, or 
>>>> that by Englishmen who tries to imitate the French?
>>> In French the i is not really longer than average, the pronunciation is 
>>> /klik/.
>>>
>> Yes, but would an Englishman know?
> 
> No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
> English, as they are pronounced in France.

Funny that. Try pronouncing a French or English word here as if it is 
Dutch and see how people react. In fact as a Dutch person you are 
assumed to know which words come from which language and change 
pronunciation rules in midsentence as required. Only words that have 
been incorporated in the language for a long time get assimilated 
somewhat. We do write 'buro' nowadays and not 'bureau', but I have yet 
to see a newspaper write 'kompjoeter', unless for humoristic affect.

>  For instance Paris is not "Paree", filet is fill-et etc.
Paris is not a good example as we do have a Dutch word for it: 'Parijs', 
with a 'ij' vowel that you nor a French person can pronounce correctly.

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On 20-2-2009 12:20, Invisible wrote:
>>> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and 
>>> hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.
>>
>> Guess what, me too. ;)
> 
> Heh, but was that by choice?

Don't know. I never needed much friends, nor did they need me.

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>>>> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit 
>>>> and hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life 
>>>> alone.
>>>
>>> Guess what, me too. ;)
>>
>> Heh, but was that by choice?
> 
> Don't know. I never needed much friends, nor did they need me.

Ah, OK. In my case, most of the people I met just weren't very nice...

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On 20-2-2009 12:28, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit 
>>>>> and hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life 
>>>>> alone.
>>>>
>>>> Guess what, me too. ;)
>>>
>>> Heh, but was that by choice?
>>
>> Don't know. I never needed much friends, nor did they need me.
> 
> Ah, OK. In my case, most of the people I met just weren't very nice...

Well, you live in England and I don't.

Actually my school period was not that bad. I had a classical education 
with a whole class of semi-nerd like kids, that were almost all 
solitary. Which in fact made us a relatively close knit group because we 
had something in common.

(Moving Hearts finished, let's stay with the theme and move to The Kick 
Inside)

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