"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:27:20 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:
> >
>
> > Agreed.  There is *always* personal responsibility, something that many
> > people are quick to give up by looking for someone else to blame for
> > their problems.
>
>
> What are you talking about? The lack of people taking personal
responsibility
> for their government?
>

The spate of people blaming others for situations where they are partially
or mostly af fault.

I'll take a local situation.
A student gets into univesity here on a nice fat subsity (read - he doesn't
pay much). Spends most of the year partying, drinking, engaging in political
rallys and avoiding classes. At the end of the year he writes exams and
fails. The university refuses re-admission on academic grounds.

The student blames the university, the department of education, the previous
government and several other people.

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"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> If that poor brain fried shooter has smoked a joint yesterday, he would have
> stayed home. Absolutely!!!!!!!!!

so, marijuana is a peace-inducing drug, that's good to know for crowd control.

But what if he's gone for crack?

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"Fredrik Eriksson" <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:09:22 +0100, alphaQuad
> <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> > Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> >> It doesn't do a cause much good to say "you are part of the problem if
> >> you don't write to someone".
> >
> > I like you Jim, but that is not what I said.
>
>
> "Now if you don't want to become partially responsible for that innocent
> girl
> getting shot in the eye, then you must do the following."
>
> How else is that to be interpreted?
>
>
>
> --
> FE


that was the letter to media and you left out what to do.

find out what he had been given and report your findings.
written to the media ... come on people I know there is a brain in there
somewhere

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:57 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> that was the letter to media and you left out what to do.
> 
> find out what he had been given and report your findings. written to the
> media ... come on people I know there is a brain in there somewhere

You're not helping yourself with statements like the last one.

But my point still holds - it's not the MEDIA'S fault, it's not MY fault 
if I don't "write to the media", it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.

Jim

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If a sane man had gripe he'd probably go after the person he thought most
responsible. make sense?

Shooting an innocent girl in the eye is a sign of anything but health and
sanity.


And yes cho was in a psych ward prior to his rampage, and it was he not a she.
What planet are you people from? :)


Just do nothing about what you have not learned here, ya that'll fix it.

aQ


No wait I had a question.

"I got involved in ways that can make a difference."

Jim:
I didnt see you elaborate on that. Care to tell us what you think will make a
difference? Maybe we can too.

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.

yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to death
and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his neighbors' and
colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's been raised in.  Let
alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy legal drugs and guns is at
fault here.

The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some Mental
Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking heavy
medicine is never going to work, you know...

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:40 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.
> 
> yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to
> death and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his
> neighbors' and colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's
> been raised in.  Let alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy
> legal drugs and guns is at fault here.

Well, we do happen to have this thing called the second amendment to the 
constitution.  You know, the one about the right to bear arms?

(And no, I'm not a member of the NRA nor am I in favor of a total lack of 
gun control)

As for legal drugs in use - Prozac is what's been cited (honestly don't 
know if that's the case or not), but not everyone who takes it becomes a 
psychopathic homicidal maniac.  I know from personal experience on that 
one.

> The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some
> Mental Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking
> heavy medicine is never going to work, you know...

The fault for the shooting lies with the shooter.  The fault for the 
shooter's access to the means lies with the person who provided them with 
the weapon.

The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days 
is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they 
do.  That's just wrong.

Jim

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And a disturbing fact remains as explained in graphic detail on my page.

REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.

Go to a doctor, especially a hospital, you can be given compazine for nausea;
nothing more than pesticide with an ethyl/amine chain. Also fluoride
antipsychotics for something as simple as sleeplessness.

Anyone prescribing these poisons either took the Hippocratic oath in jest or
failed to their biochemistry. The breakdown into carbon/fluorine molecules is
equivalent to Teflon; a carbon/fluorine chain.

I really cant expect this to be understood.

Someone in your family has taken it? Well, they stopped taking, right? That
seems to be another common theme. Eventually people wake up and realize, ways
unknown to most, I don't want to take this stuff (for some reason).

A few doses will not immediately bring on symptoms in some. This in NO way

will see seizures manifest with a single dose.

Amazing how this logic eludes so many.

I strongly suggest you at least give these words some consideration before
taking this crap.

To your success and health,
aQ

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:25:20 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> Just do nothing about what you have not learned here, ya that'll fix it.

Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.

Fact:  There will always be people who get things that they shouldn't and 
use them to ends that are contrary to the intended use or the public good.

HOWEVER, if we start restricting anything/everything that can be used to 
harm others, then we won't be a free society; we'll be living under a 
totalitarian regime.  Do you really want that?

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.  The cost of not being 
vigilant is the loss of freedom.  I wouldn't (as a general rule) trade 
security for freedom, especially if that security is provided by our 
government - because it's almost certainly more for show than for actual 
security.

> No wait I had a question.
> 
> "I got involved in ways that can make a difference."
> 
> Jim:
> I didnt see you elaborate on that. Care to tell us what you think will
> make a difference? Maybe we can too.

I actively participate in events that are more than groups of people 
picketing and shouting into the wind.  I attend public hearings, ask 
questions of my elected officials, and demand accountability.

Picking up a picket sign and walking around in the cold is a great way to 
get attention, but a poor way to effect real change.  It's too easy to 
dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what 
the public really thinks.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:58:10 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> And a disturbing fact remains as explained in graphic detail on my page.
> 
> REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.
> 
> Go to a doctor, especially a hospital, you can be given compazine for
> nausea; nothing more than pesticide with an ethyl/amine chain. Also
> fluoride antipsychotics for something as simple as sleeplessness.
> 
> Anyone prescribing these poisons either took the Hippocratic oath in
> jest or failed to their biochemistry. The breakdown into carbon/fluorine
> molecules is equivalent to Teflon; a carbon/fluorine chain.
> 
> I really cant expect this to be understood.

What's your background?  Are you a pharmacological expert, have a 
background in chemistry, or are somehow otherwise qualified to make these 
judgments that we are not aware of?

Again, what's your background?

> Someone in your family has taken it? Well, they stopped taking, right?

Yes, because the symptoms have now gone away.

> That seems to be another common theme. Eventually people wake up and
> realize, ways unknown to most, I don't want to take this stuff (for some
> reason).

Actually, no.  In the case of my family member, the prescription was no 
longer needed.

> A few doses will not immediately bring on symptoms in some. This in NO
> way suggests it didn’t do any damage. But take enough and ... SNAP! In
> some, you will see seizures manifest with a single dose.
> 
> Amazing how this logic eludes so many.

It ain't logic.  It's hyperbole.

Some people drown in water.  Others don't.  Does that mean we should shut 
down all the swimming pools?

> I strongly suggest you at least give these words some consideration
> before taking this crap.

I *always* consult with a qualified professional before taking any 
medication.  One of my criteria is that they aren't over-eager to 
prescribe something that I don't need, and aren't prepared to say "well, 
try this and see if it works".  I presently take a few medications for my 
allergies - and I fully expect you to give me some horror story about my 
fexofenedrine or my Nasonex about how it's going to turn me into a 
fanatical psychopathic killer if I ever get my hands on a nailgun.

And we won't even get started on my allergy injections.  They're probably 
also destroying my higher brain function so that I'd brick someone up as 
if I were playing out Poe's _Cask of Amontillado_.

Jim

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