Woohoo!  I went to school there!

*ahem*

What I find interesting is how different articles about this kind of 
thing word things in the headline:  was it a shooting, an incident, a 
massacre?  Were the people shot, killed, murdered, or are they merely 
dead at such-and-such location?  If the killer committed suicide, are 
they listed in the death count, or separately?  Does the headline count 
injured?  Is the event fact, or alleged?

...on another note, placing blame for an event on others who are totally 
unrelated to that event and have no power over it is pretty silly.  It 
is not John Doe in Juneau, Alaska's fault for not sending an ineffective 
letter to his representative if a kid in Nevada dies from choking on a 
can of Alaska crab, even if John Doe happens to be a secretary for 
middle-management at the company that prints the labels for the cans.

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Tim Cook
http://empyrean.digitalartsuk.com

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alphaQuad wrote:
> Author Bill Cooper, "Behold A Pale Horse": "In every instance that I have
> investigated -- the incident at the women's school in Canada, the shopping mall
> in Canada, the Stockton, California, massacre, and the murder of Rabbi Meir
> Kahane -- the shooters were all ex-mental patients or were current mental
> patients who were all on the drug Prozac."

Most significant phrase in this comment: "that I have investigated".

*smirk*

If you only investigate the ones that were ex-mental patients or current 
mental patients, all on Prozac, well...

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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
news:47b50697$1@news.povray.org...

> ...on another note, placing blame for an event on others who are totally
> unrelated to that event and have no power over it is pretty silly.

Why not. It seems all the rage today. (not just in the US, same down here)

Blame the government, blame the previous government, blame the political
situation, blame the people who 'are trying to keep you down', blame the
corporations.

Just don't whatever you do don't accept any personal responsibility for
anything. It's all someone else's fault.
</sarcasm>

Sorry. It's a rather prevalant attitide that really irritates me.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:27:20 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> ...on another note, placing blame for an event on others who are totally
> unrelated to that event and have no power over it is pretty silly.

Agreed.  There is *always* personal responsibility, something that many 
people are quick to give up by looking for someone else to blame for 
their problems.

It doesn't do a cause much good to say "you are part of the problem if 
you don't write to someone".

Jim

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"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message

> Find out what the shooter had been given by the AMA Quacks.
> I am certain that you will find he was given fluorides or sulfides in
place of
> real medicine.

OK, you win the cake for coming up with the most "original" scapegoat, in
the inevitable goat safari that automatically ensues any and all such
incidents. I sure thought something involving lambda calculus would be named
before AMA...

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somebody wrote:
> "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
> 
>> Find out what the shooter had been given by the AMA Quacks.
>> I am certain that you will find he was given fluorides or sulfides in
> place of
>> real medicine.
> 
> OK, you win the cake for coming up with the most "original" scapegoat, in
> the inevitable goat safari that automatically ensues any and all such
> incidents. I sure thought something involving lambda calculus would be named
> before AMA...

Another thing I wonder...all these violent acts done by people 
supposedly on medication, what percentage of people on that medication 
do they represent?  How many people would be doing violent acts if 
*nobody* were on those medications?

To wit:

Suppose 5 of 500,000 people on Prozac end up going on shooting rampages.
Suppose those 5 are the only incidents in a 10-year period, so one could 
blame Prozac as being a cause.
But!  Suppose if none of those 500,000 people were on Prozac?  Would 
there be 50 rampages in the same time period?  More?

It's like taser-related deaths vs. potential gun-related deaths were 
tasers not in use.  If there are more non-fatal taser uses than likely 
fatal gun uses, you go with the taser, even if you get a few deaths.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:19:35 EST, "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet>
wrote:


>that is about the only non-violent act that can be done.

No one mention your gun laws yet?

Regards
	Stephen

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Tim Cook wrote:
> somebody wrote:
>> "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
>>
>>> Find out what the shooter had been given by the AMA Quacks.
>>> I am certain that you will find he was given fluorides or sulfides in
>> place of
>>> real medicine.
>>
>> OK, you win the cake for coming up with the most "original" scapegoat, in
>> the inevitable goat safari that automatically ensues any and all such
>> incidents. I sure thought something involving lambda calculus would be 
>> named
>> before AMA...
> 
> Another thing I wonder...all these violent acts done by people 
> supposedly on medication, what percentage of people on that medication 
> do they represent?  How many people would be doing violent acts if 
> *nobody* were on those medications?
> 
> To wit:
> 
> Suppose 5 of 500,000 people on Prozac end up going on shooting rampages.
> Suppose those 5 are the only incidents in a 10-year period, so one could 
> blame Prozac as being a cause.
> But!  Suppose if none of those 500,000 people were on Prozac?  Would 
> there be 50 rampages in the same time period?  More?
> 
> It's like taser-related deaths vs. potential gun-related deaths were 
> tasers not in use.  If there are more non-fatal taser uses than likely 
> fatal gun uses, you go with the taser, even if you get a few deaths.
> 
We used to have a cartoon in the department stating that 19% of driving 
accidents happened while being drunk and implying that there is a simple 
way to reduce the number of accidents by 81%

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> You know, to outsiders it seems like this kind of thing has become routine 
> in
> America.

From the BBC article:

"Last Friday, a woman shot dead two fellow students before killing herself 
at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. In Memphis, Tennessee, a 
17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a student on 
Monday, and a 15-year-old was shot at a junior high school in California on 
Tuesday."

The whole culture in the US seems different regarding guns.  The only guns 
I've ever seen in my life are the ones the police carry.  I don't know 
anyone who has a gun, I don't know anyone who could get me a gun if I wanted 
one.  I'm sure most people round here are the same.  Unless you are in some 
large criminal gang, I just don't think you can get hold of a gun.

These seem like previously "normal" people before they do these shootings, 
where do they get the guns from?

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alphaQuad <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> This post is goddamn important so if any of you don?t like it, TS, then you are
> also part of the problem.

  Even at the risk of sounding like a jerk, maybe you might not want to
use that kind of expression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma#Examples

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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