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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 13:19:23
Message: <4c20f09b$1@news.povray.org>
>> So each time you analyse a set of samples, there is a linear
>> conversion, but it's different each time.
> 
> Only if the cross sectional area or length of the sample is different.
> 
> You really need to read up on the physical properties of materials.

Well, sure. I mean, it's not like the resistence of a diode varies with 
voltage.

Oh, wait, actually that's exactly what it does. :-P

So what makes you so certain that passing a current through a sample 
can't cause some kind of chemical reaction that affects its electrical 
characteristics, given that we don't even know what the hell this 
machine is or what it does?

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 13:20:00
Message: <4c20f0c0$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:15:30 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Excel can *import* text files with all sorts of strange delimiters.
> However, it seems to be unable to *create* anything except CSV or
> tab-delimited; there's no option for pipe-delimited.

Fortunately, that's pretty easy to work around with a scripting 
language.  Export tab delimited and then use something like awk to 
replcae the tabs with pipes = job done.

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 13:22:13
Message: <4c20f145$1@news.povray.org>
>> Excel can *import* text files with all sorts of strange delimiters.
>> However, it seems to be unable to *create* anything except CSV or
>> tab-delimited; there's no option for pipe-delimited.
> 
> Fortunately, that's pretty easy to work around with a scripting 
> language.  Export tab delimited and then use something like awk to 
> replcae the tabs with pipes = job done.

Oh, sure, I'm not disputing that. I'm just wondering where the hell some 
random user who can barely operate Notepad has heard of pipe-delimited 
files from...

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 13:54:23
Message: <4c20f8cf$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:22:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Excel can *import* text files with all sorts of strange delimiters.
>>> However, it seems to be unable to *create* anything except CSV or
>>> tab-delimited; there's no option for pipe-delimited.
>> 
>> Fortunately, that's pretty easy to work around with a scripting
>> language.  Export tab delimited and then use something like awk to
>> replcae the tabs with pipes = job done.
> 
> Oh, sure, I'm not disputing that. I'm just wondering where the hell some
> random user who can barely operate Notepad has heard of pipe-delimited
> files from...

Probably a vendor that they interact with who said "we need/will provide 
files in this format".

I interact with a company that delivers exams and a company that tracks 
exam results and certifications; the typical user of the systems they 
provide is non-technical, and they provide data in that type of format - 
it's actually fairly widely used because "|" isn't often part of actual 
data.

The perhaps surprising thing is that Excel and oocalc both don't have an 
option built in for exporting files in that format, given that they are 
so widely used.

Jim


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 14:07:23
Message: <4c20fbdb$1@news.povray.org>
Am 22.06.2010 16:46, schrieb Darren New:

> If you think a question is stupid, it's because you already know
> the answer. So give it to them. :-)

Nice point ;-)


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 14:33:04
Message: <4c2101e0$1@news.povray.org>
>> Oh, sure, I'm not disputing that. I'm just wondering where the hell some
>> random user who can barely operate Notepad has heard of pipe-delimited
>> files from...
> 
> Probably a vendor that they interact with who said "we need/will provide 
> files in this format".

I got the impression that she created one of these files by mistake, and 
then whoever else she was interacting with rewrote the spec to match. 
Which still leaves the question "how the hell did you manage to do this 
in the first place?" Oh well.

> The perhaps surprising thing is that Excel and oocalc both don't have an 
> option built in for exporting files in that format, given that they are 
> so widely used.

Yeah, I had assumed it would be there...

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 15:32:38
Message: <4c210fd6$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/06/2010 6:19 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So each time you analyse a set of samples, there is a linear
>>> conversion, but it's different each time.
>>
>> Only if the cross sectional area or length of the sample is different.
>>
>> You really need to read up on the physical properties of materials.
>
> Well, sure. I mean, it's not like the resistence of a diode varies with
> voltage.
>
> Oh, wait, actually that's exactly what it does. :-P
>
> So what makes you so certain that passing a current through a sample
> can't cause some kind of chemical reaction that affects its electrical
> characteristics, given that we don't even know what the hell this
> machine is or what it does?
>

For a start you know what units it measures and you can research how to 
measure “admittance”.
Of course passing a current through a material affects its properties. 
Even a resistor will change its resistance as you pass a current through 
it and it heats up. The trick is to use as small a current or voltage as 
will work and let the material reach its working temperature.
Electronics is not all zeroes and ones, you have to think physical 
properties as well.

As for a material having a chemical reaction:  If it were to have a 
reaction that changed its properties adversely then that is the wrong 
way to test it. Someone who understands the problem will come up with a 
solution.

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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 16:33:35
Message: <4c211e1f$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/06/2010 7:07 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 22.06.2010 16:46, schrieb Darren New:
>
>> If you think a question is stupid, it's because you already know
>> the answer. So give it to them. :-)
>
> Nice point ;-)

There are no stupid questions only stupid answers.
Or as I often say, ask a stupid person, get a stupid answer.

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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 22 Jun 2010 17:08:53
Message: <4c212665$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> There are no stupid questions only stupid answers.

There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people asking questions.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
    that the code does what you think it does, even if
    it doesn't do what you wanted.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stupid question time
Date: 23 Jun 2010 02:32:28
Message: <4c21aa7c$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/06/2010 10:08 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> There are no stupid questions only stupid answers.
>
> There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people asking questions.
>

I might argue the *"Only"* if I were that sort of person. ;-)

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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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