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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> From the comments: "...What concerns me about some of the work of
> scientists is that they lack respect for nature....I've seen too many
> sci-fi's to know that something can go wrong....They don???t know what
> they're doing."
Many people seem to give "nature" some kind of magical properties, like
it was a sentient entity or something, which is benevolent and protective
of humans when they respect it, and vengeful and violent when humans don't
respect it, try to control it (or even just understand it) and make it feel
violated.
Everything that is "natural" and "organic" is seen as good, beneficial
and healthy, while everything that is perceived as "artificial", "man-made"
or trying to modify how nature and natural processes work is seen as
harmful, unhealthy and even dangerous. It's like nature somehow protected
humans and the human body when things are done its way, and is harmful when
people try to modify, circumvent, or control how nature works.
Nature is so sacred that even trying to understand its secrets is such
a sacrilege that bad things may happen.
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On 22/05/2010 8:29 PM, Tim Cook wrote:
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7753609/Craig-Venters-research-is-scary-but-not-in-the-way-you-think.html
>
>
> From the comments: "...What concerns me about some of the work of
> scientists is that they lack respect for nature....I've seen too many
> they're doing."
>
> Those silly scientists, blindly poking around in nature, playing God
> with no idea what they're getting themselves into. Common sense should
> tell them that Humans can't understand what isn't explainable to a
> six-year-old in a 30-second sound bite, and we have no business even
> trying. It's blasphemous, at the very least, and besides, none of those
> futuristic movies end well!
>
> -_____________________________-
>
with so many fruit loops and fundamentalists, I think that you should
fight every line of that cr*p.
> Then there's the Texas schoolbook thing, because textbook companies are
> slobs that just copy the Texas curriculum for the whole country and so
> shoehorn all public education into what one group of half a dozen people
> wants to further their own agenda.
>
Whose fault is that?
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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmail com> wrote in message
news:4bf83094$1@news.povray.org...
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7753609/Craig-Venters-research-is-scary-but-not-in-the-way-you-think.html
> From the comments: "...What concerns me about some of the work of
> scientists is that they lack respect for nature....I've seen too many
> they're doing."
11 comments is a very small sample to make any sort of deduction. I haven't
read much about this experiment, nor the reaction. It's a neat little trick,
but far less impressive and consequential than, say, a hearth transplant, if
you ask me.
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On 5/22/2010 1:06 PM, Stephen wrote:
> with so many fruit loops and fundamentalists, I think that you should
> fight every line of that cr*p.
>
>> Then there's the Texas schoolbook thing, because textbook companies are
>> slobs that just copy the Texas curriculum for the whole country and so
>> shoehorn all public education into what one group of half a dozen people
>> wants to further their own agenda.
>>
>
> Whose fault is that?
>
>
>
Hard to say actually. #1 buyer of text books = California. #2 = Texas.
Its a bit like whining that the only alternative to the Windows machine
in the local computer shop is a Mac. Most schools do not have the time,
or the money, to go out and buy from other publishers. Those publishers
may not be able to support the volume, and unfortunately, most of the
country is bamboozled into believing in the three bullshits talking
points always being pushed - Taxes should be lower, the government can't
do anything right, and states have rights, parents know better then
anyone else what their kids need to believe and learn to be good citizens.
Of course, #1 only counts, as long as its social services, or other
people's pet projects, not *yours*. #2 is almost a direct consequence of
#1, and the way people think about actually doing it. And, #3 gives us
idiot things like "every child left behind", instead of a nation wide
consensus on what the hell actually happened in history, what science
actually says, what people actually need to function in society, and
real control over any of the wackos that decide to side step any such
standards, including, sometimes, their own state curriculums, to teach
complete gibberish, never mind requiring that school boards have.. I
don't know.. people who fracking know something about history, science,
or just plain "education", on them, instead of which ever random, small
scale, would be politician, gets themselves elected to it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5huPDklrc-Q
;-)
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Am 23.05.2010 00:25, schrieb clipka:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5huPDklrc-Q
(Whoops - wasn't intended to be a reply; sorry 'bout that...)
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On 22/05/2010 10:19 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Whose fault is that?
>>
>>
>>
> Hard to say actually. #1 buyer of text books = California. #2 = Texas.
> Its a bit like whining that the only alternative to the Windows machine
> in the local computer shop is a Mac.
Ignorance is a wonderful thing. :-)
> Most schools do not have the time,
> or the money, to go out and buy from other publishers.
That is really not good enough. In the British Isles we have 5 separate
educational systems and although England, Wales and Northern Ireland
have similar curriculums there are subjects such as Irish and Welsh,
language and history which require separate books. Scotland and the
Republic of Ireland are different and have their own book lists.
Compare the 65.8 million people living on these islands to the 36.5
million in California, 23.9 in Texas and 305 million in the USA as a
whole. Someone is not doing his/her/their job properly. If countries as
small as Scotland (5.2 million), NI (1.8 million) and Wales (3 million)
can commission and source their own books then I imagine that Los
Angeles (4 million) could do it for all of California.
> Those publishers
> may not be able to support the volume, and unfortunately, most of the
> country is bamboozled into believing in the three bullshits talking
> points always being pushed - Taxes should be lower, the government can't
> do anything right, and states have rights, parents know better then
> anyone else what their kids need to believe and learn to be good citizens.
>
The last bit I believe.
> Of course, #1 only counts, as long as its social services, or other
> people's pet projects, not *yours*.
As it does the world over ;-)
> #2 is almost a direct consequence of
[snip]
> scale, would be politician, gets themselves elected to it.
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There was an article I'd seen once about creating life on a computer,
how they aimed the evolution of a certain batch of things to be
calculators, and while a bunch got to a point where they were correctly
doing addition and stuff, when they looked at how they were doing it no
two were alike and most went about it in a really weird way...and that
another batch 'played dead' when run through a test environment to
survive to pass on their 'genes', but only in the test environment, and
resumed normal function outside.
Anybody have any idea how I might find the original of that again?
Anything I think of to search for on Google is too general.
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On 5/23/2010 5:31 PM, Tim Cook wrote:
> There was an article I'd seen once about creating life on a computer,
> how they aimed the evolution of a certain batch of things to be
> calculators, and while a bunch got to a point where they were correctly
> doing addition and stuff, when they looked at how they were doing it no
> two were alike and most went about it in a really weird way...and that
> another batch 'played dead' when run through a test environment to
> survive to pass on their 'genes', but only in the test environment, and
> resumed normal function outside.
>
> Anybody have any idea how I might find the original of that again?
> Anything I think of to search for on Google is too general.
>
> --
> Tim Cook
> http://empyrean.byethost8.com
You are looking for "Avida".
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On 2010-05-24 03:41, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> You are looking for "Avida".
So I am...and in fact, the article linked at the bottom of Wikipedia was
exactly the article I used to have. Thanks! Now to hunt down a few
other articles I used to have...a few about the attempts at artificial
eyes, and a particular one about altruism in the context of evolution.
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