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Phil Cook v2 <phi### [at] nospamrocain freeservecouk> wrote:
> No it's being marketed as "The best way to experience the web, email,
> photos, and video. Hands down" So you're going to get people thinking "I
> just my laptop to surf the web, get my email and look at my photos. Hey I
> can get this cool iPad instead" or even as Darren suggested possibly get
> it for someone who does really just do that. At which point you discover
> you're tied to using the Apple Store to get your music, you can't import
> any of your existing music, you can't get your photos to it unless you use
> the optional "iPad Camera Connection Kit" because using a standard USB
> slot would be way to easy. You can't backup those photos or email easily.
You won't be able to use your laptop on a 10-hour flight to watch movies
all the way.
Besides, you can backup the contents of an iPhone/iPad.
> Do you buy a PS3 expecting it to be a PC? Yet I can surf the net, view my
> photos, get videos, import my CDs, I can hook up a mouse and keyboard and
> even print from it. In theory there's nothing stopping anyone from
> creating a PS3 word processor or spread sheet that runs off a disc.
Nothing stops anyone from making a word processor or spread sheet for the
iPad either. In fact, Apple is encouraging people to do so.
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- Warp
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> The iPad is not being marketed as a laptop. Why are you expecting it to
> be?
I think the issue is that nowadays everyone expects anything the size of the
iPad with a screen to support a number of standard features. These include
a USB socket for connection to external drives: memory sticks, card readers,
cameras, printers etc. TBH this was the first I heard that you cannot
connect any standard external devices to the iPad, I would have assumed it
had a USB socket. It does has WLAN and/or bluetooth right? Can't you just
share folders from another device that way? A bit inconvenient if you have
a passive device like a memory stick or MP3 player.
> Do you buy an XBox360 and expect it to be a PC? There are similarly many
> thing that can be done with a PC that cannot be done with an XBox360.
The PS3 OS actually gives you the option to install a Linux OS if you want,
and the Xbox360 lets you write programs for it using C# and XNA, so it those
respects modern games consoles pretty much are PCs.
Anyway, if I did buy an XBox360 I would expect it to do certain things as
standard, like let me connect a memory stick and listen to the music on it
or look at the photos and videos on it. Or grab files from the network to
show. There's a huge user outcry even when some specific format of video is
not supported by a games console, imagine what would happen if it didn't
support *any* external connection!
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> the Xbox360 lets you write programs for it using C# and XNA
You make it sound like you cannot write your own programs for the iPhone
or iPad. You can (although in this case it has to be with Objective-C++).
> Anyway, if I did buy an XBox360 I would expect it to do certain things as
> standard, like let me connect a memory stick and listen to the music on it
> or look at the photos and videos on it.
Well, the iPhone is more like an iPod with respect to music (it was even
initially marketed as such, iow. smartphone+iPod) rather than a general-use
portable computer. At first you couldn't even write software for it (but
that changed later).
I suppose the iPad continues the same ideology of being a tight sandbox
which is safe to use and hard to mess up (unlike a laptop, which is simply
a PC/Mac, and which is very easy to mess up).
An iPhone/iPad is not much different from buying a PSP or Nintendo DS.
Those are not even intended to be laptops either.
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- Warp
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> An iPhone/iPad is not much different from buying a PSP or Nintendo DS.
I think that is the point a lot of people fail to understand, they see the
iPad and assume it will work like some kind of tablet PC, but it doesn't.
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On Tue, 18 May 2010 13:50:58 +0200, scott wrote:
> The PS3 OS actually gives you the option to install a Linux OS if you
> want,
Not anymore, not since the latest firmware update. The option was never
present on the slim models, either.
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> Besides, you can backup the contents of an iPhone/iPad.
But only if you already have a real computer, yes? Or is there something
that will back it up to .mac or some such? (Doesn't Apple have some online
service thingie you can subscribe to?)
> Nothing stops anyone from making a word processor or spread sheet for the
> iPad either. In fact, Apple is encouraging people to do so.
Yeah, great, until you want to print your document out. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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scott wrote:
> and the Xbox360 lets you write programs for it using C# and XNA,
Well, in some sense. XNA is specifically limited to keep you from mucking
with the network and such, so you can really only write games. You can't
contact your own server, you can't get things from the disk to anywhere
else, etc. All you have is one directory, a network connection to other
instances of your game, the controller and speaker and screen. You can't
even send email to the email address of the person logged into your game
while it's running, for example.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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Warp wrote:
> I suppose the iPad continues the same ideology of being a tight sandbox
> which is safe to use and hard to mess up (unlike a laptop, which is simply
> a PC/Mac, and which is very easy to mess up).
My disappointment is that you can't easily use an iPad to replace the thing
that's hard to use and easy to mess up.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > Nothing stops anyone from making a word processor or spread sheet for the
> > iPad either. In fact, Apple is encouraging people to do so.
> Yeah, great, until you want to print your document out. :-)
Actually since iPhone programs can make http requests, one could devise
a system where you send the document to your PC via http, and have the PC
print it out... Contrived, but entirely possible.
(Yes, it is entirely possible. Eg. games use this to send high scores
to online servers.)
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> Nothing stops anyone from making a word processor or spread sheet for the
>>> iPad either. In fact, Apple is encouraging people to do so.
>
>> Yeah, great, until you want to print your document out. :-)
>
> Actually since iPhone programs can make http requests, one could devise
> a system where you send the document to your PC via http, and have the PC
> print it out... Contrived, but entirely possible.
Sure. Which, again, means you need a PC as an adjunct. You could write a
word processor. You can't print it out. You can only send it to someone else
to print it. You wouldn't need http - just email it to the mail account on
your laptop.
And it's certainly not the kind of thing that someone who doesn't even want
a Mac is going to code, is my point.
> (Yes, it is entirely possible. Eg. games use this to send high scores
> to online servers.)
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing XNA disallows. I don't think
Microsoft wants an XBoxBotNet.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
you literally shooting yourself in the foot.
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