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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 15 May 2010 13:59:09
Message: <4beee0ed$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/05/2010 6:09 PM, Jim Charter wrote:
>> Funnily enough when you get over it you may find the habit ingrained.
>> I generally do about two implementations a year and I develop a

>> partner. I know that after the back of the project is broken, if they
>> can find one of their own people to take over, at a lower cost, then
>> that is what will happen.
>>
>>
> Agreed, out of habit, as you say, or out of a need to contribute in some
> meaningful way, yet, also as you say, it will be tempered in some manner.


My present contract keeps getting extended month on month. I could 
really do with giving it up and taking a break but as the money is OK 


next year.


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	Stephen


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 16 May 2010 02:30:01
Message: <4bef90e9$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

>> Agreed, out of habit, as you say, or out of a need to contribute in some
>> meaningful way, yet, also as you say, it will be tempered in some manner.
> 

> My present contract keeps getting extended month on month. I could 
> really do with giving it up and taking a break but as the money is OK 


> next year.
> 
> 

As it happens, here I am at 2am Sunday morning working on PowerPoint 
presentations for the class I teach on Monday.  I get paid by the hour 
for time in the classroom.  This time I spend now would be tolerably 
classified as 'time given' to the job. A job that has zero security. 
But...this time spent: makes the job in the classroom easier, elevates 
the quality of my teaching, and elevates the reputation of the program. 
  Or so I hope.  Have I forgotten the bitter lesson learned when the 
corporate world gave me the boot?  Not sure.  I believe I do this more 
for myself now, not so to please others.  But it is difficult to be 
sure.  As far as just taking the money?  Yes, but the real value of this 
gig is the health care benefits.  And for that I need to stay around.

The new head of the Taxi & Limousine Commission comes to the school on 
Monday presumably to inform himself on the current state of taxi 
training.  I am being scheduled to teach, rather than other instructors 
  I am guessing, because of my 'smart room' innovations.  The more I 
talk about it, the more I am thinking I've been sucked back in :O


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 16 May 2010 06:09:42
Message: <4befc466$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/05/2010 7:30 AM, Jim Charter wrote:

> As it happens, here I am at 2am Sunday morning working on PowerPoint
> presentations for the class I teach on Monday. I get paid by the hour
> for time in the classroom. This time I spend now would be tolerably
> classified as 'time given' to the job. A job that has zero security.
> But...this time spent: makes the job in the classroom easier, elevates
> the quality of my teaching, and elevates the reputation of the program.
> Or so I hope.


work outside working hours. Always improving and preparing.

> Have I forgotten the bitter lesson learned when the
> corporate world gave me the boot? Not sure. I believe I do this more for
> myself now, not so to please others. But it is difficult to be sure.

It is difficult, all those years of giving your all leaves ingrained habits.

> As far as just taking the money? Yes, but the real value of this gig is the
> health care benefits. And for that I need to stay around.
>






> The new head of the Taxi & Limousine Commission comes to the school on
> Monday presumably to inform himself on the current state of taxi
> training. I am being scheduled to teach, rather than other instructors I
> am guessing, because of my 'smart room' innovations. The more I talk
> about it, the more I am thinking I've been sucked back in :O


It is hard not to be. Especially if you are contentious.

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	Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 16 May 2010 13:16:25
Message: <4bf02869$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter wrote:
> A job that has zero security. 

I think you've already answered it.  There's a world of difference between 
"can you do this work, and we'll pay you if we're successful?" and "Come 
work for a salary. Oh sorry, ran out of money, you're not getting your last 
month's paycheck."

> The new head of the Taxi & Limousine Commission comes to the school on 
> Monday presumably to inform himself on the current state of taxi 
> training.  I am being scheduled to teach, rather than other instructors 
>  I am guessing, because of my 'smart room' innovations.  The more I talk 
> about it, the more I am thinking I've been sucked back in :O

Ah, don't miss the opportunity to network up. You're going to be standing in 
front of a fairly powerful person who is likely looking to make some changes 
to his organization. Make sure he knows who you are, how to get in touch 
with you, and what sort of things you're interested in. It's definitely the 
way to get to where you want to be in this world.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
    you literally shooting yourself in the foot.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 17 May 2010 03:01:13
Message: <4bf0e9b9@news.povray.org>
> I can't retire for another 2 years because my retirement plan only
> allows me to take my pension without penalty at 59.5 years old. I'm
> just turning 57 this year... So they want 20% to allow me to retire
> today!

Doesn't your employer give you some form of redundancy pay?  In the UK at 
least I think you get about 1 weeks pay for every years service you have by 
law, and some employers give more than that minimum.


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From: gregjohn
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 17 May 2010 07:15:00
Message: <web.4bf1250dd7cf1cfb34d207310@news.povray.org>
In my company, it's interesting that there's a certain Project Management
certification one can get.  All the people I know personally who have this are
recently retired and/or about to be laid off.  On one hand, this unscientific,
fear-based correlation in my head makes me wonder if people taking the time to
get this certification helped get them laid off.

On the other hand, I overheard a quick job interview that happened between
casual friends at a party-- one had started his own company and was hiring
another about to be laid off-- and the main and only criteria that was needed
was this certification.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 18 May 2010 12:56:46
Message: <4bf2c6ce$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> On 16/05/2010 7:30 AM, Jim Charter wrote:
> 
>> As it happens, here I am at 2am Sunday morning working on PowerPoint
>> presentations for the class I teach on Monday. I get paid by the hour
>> for time in the classroom. This time I spend now would be tolerably
>> classified as 'time given' to the job. A job that has zero security.
>> But...this time spent: makes the job in the classroom easier, elevates
>> the quality of my teaching, and elevates the reputation of the program.
>> Or so I hope.
> 

> work outside working hours. Always improving and preparing.
> 
>> Have I forgotten the bitter lesson learned when the
>> corporate world gave me the boot? Not sure. I believe I do this more for
>> myself now, not so to please others. But it is difficult to be sure.
> 
> It is difficult, all those years of giving your all leaves ingrained 
> habits.
> 
>> As far as just taking the money? Yes, but the real value of this gig 
>> is the
>> health care benefits. And for that I need to stay around.
>>
> 
> 



> 
Briefly, with me you're preaching to the choir. I'm now in NYC but grew 
up in Canada.  The decision my wife and I made, to change from the plan 
we had, quite expensive, but the only one we could qualify for, to the 
current plan, completely free but married to a job I must be 
'reinstated' to every six months, was an agonizing one.  And something 
as simple as a change in TLC directors could easily result in no more 
job for Jim, and no health care plan at all.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 18 May 2010 15:25:40
Message: <4bf2e9b4@news.povray.org>
On 18/05/2010 5:56 PM, Jim Charter wrote:
> Stephen wrote:

>>



>>
> Briefly, with me you're preaching to the choir.

I know.

> I'm now in NYC but grew
> up in Canada. The decision my wife and I made, to change from the plan
> we had, quite expensive, but the only one we could qualify for, to the
> current plan, completely free but married to a job I must be
> 'reinstated' to every six months, was an agonizing one. And something as
> simple as a change in TLC directors could easily result in no more job
> for Jim, and no health care plan at all.

Good luck, But at worse you could always go back to driving.

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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 18 May 2010 17:46:54
Message: <4bf30ace$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> On 18/05/2010 5:56 PM, Jim Charter wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
> 
>>>



>>>
>> Briefly, with me you're preaching to the choir.
> 
> I know.
:)
> 
>> I'm now in NYC but grew
>> up in Canada. The decision my wife and I made, to change from the plan
>> we had, quite expensive, but the only one we could qualify for, to the
>> current plan, completely free but married to a job I must be
>> 'reinstated' to every six months, was an agonizing one. And something as
>> simple as a change in TLC directors could easily result in no more job
>> for Jim, and no health care plan at all.
> 
> Good luck, But at worse you could always go back to driving.
> 
Man I'm still driving.  Took May off but starting June, three days a 
week driving, three days teaching.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Laid Off After 21 Years!
Date: 19 May 2010 02:37:24
Message: <4bf38724@news.povray.org>
On 18/05/2010 10:46 PM, Jim Charter wrote:
>> Good luck, But at worse you could always go back to driving.
>>
> Man I'm still driving.  Took May off but starting June, three days a
> week driving, three days teaching.

Getting better :-)

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	Stephen


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