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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> It is when you can buy PaintShop Pro and get 95% of the same features.
It's not always features that are important. Ask a professional who uses
photoshop, and he'll tell you that the UI is at least as important as the
"features".
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open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.
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>> That's only for the cut-down version with all the features removed.
>> (Even *I* own that...)
>
> Is it good for anything more than touching up photos? Can you draw
> things with it? Can you do things easily like take four square photos
> and make a bigger square out of them, or cut a photo exactly in half?
Drawing stuff with it is all that I use it for. (It came free with my
Wacom Bamboo.) I haven't really used it much.
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>>>> the
>>>> thing I can't figure out is how a normal human manages to get near a
>>>> copy of Photoshop in the first place.
>>> £361.58 on buy.com.
>> I thought it was a lot more than that. Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of the
>> whole "creative suite" rather than just Photoshop.
>
> That was the pricing on Creative Suite 4. Photoshop on its own is less
> expensive - I figured you were thinking of the most expensive option, so
> that's what I looked for (the most expensive version of Photoshop I could
> find).
>
> How much did you think it was?
ebuyer.com, Adobe Creative Suite 4, Complete Package, Windows: £1,502.62
If that doesn't make you feel slightly dizzy, I don't know what will...
(Weirdly enough, I can't seem to see a price for just Photoshop by
itself, only Photoshop Elements is listed - or student versions, which
obviously has totally different pricing.)
>>> Windows Server 2008 by comparison is £631.22 on buy.com for a 5-user
>>> CAL.
>> Fortunately, unless you run a server, you don't need this product. (In
>> other words, your employer is going to pay for it, not you.)
>
> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
> hobbiest user.
Well, yeah, there is that. It's not the package I'd choose to go out and
buy. Then again, Mike apparently did...
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And lo On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:50:36 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
did spake thusly:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> It is when you can buy PaintShop Pro and get 95% of the same features.
>
> It's not always features that are important. Ask a professional who uses
> photoshop, and he'll tell you that the UI is at least as important as
> the "features".
But is that because that's the UI they're used to? I could never get on
with it and still mutter imprecations under my breath when using Elements
6 and Adobe's insistence that There can be only One mouse button ;-)
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Phil Cook
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Am 04.05.2010 10:07, schrieb Invisible:
> ebuyer.com, Adobe Creative Suite 4, Complete Package, Windows: £1,502.62
>
> If that doesn't make you feel slightly dizzy, I don't know what will...
Ah, that's almost affordable...
MS Visual Studio 2010:
about 1400 € for the "Professional" (= smallest!) ed.
about 3150 € for the "Premium" ed.
about 6650 € for the "Ultimate" ed.
I can't remember having paid anything even remotely close to this for my
copy of VS 2005...
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And lo On Mon, 03 May 2010 23:02:50 +0100, Jim Henderson
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake thusly:
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 22:24:03 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>>>> the
>>>> thing I can't figure out is how a normal human manages to get near a
>>>> copy of Photoshop in the first place.
>>>
>>> £361.58 on buy.com.
>>
>> I thought it was a lot more than that. Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of the
>> whole "creative suite" rather than just Photoshop.
>
> That was the pricing on Creative Suite 4. Photoshop on its own is less
> expensive - I figured you were thinking of the most expensive option, so
> that's what I looked for (the most expensive version of Photoshop I could
> find).
That's not the upgrade price is it? The UK price for the cheapest CS4 is
£620 on buy.com. Amazon are selling PS CS5 at £644.
>> Even so, this would still make it considerably more expensive than any
>> piece of software I've ever purchased in my life. (Although, when you
>> think about it, most *computers* cost more than this...)
>
> That they do, and they frequently come bundled with software. You can
> get Photoshop Elements for fairly cheap - it even came bundled with my
> Wacom tablet.
Elements 6 came with my Vaio. Version 8 costs £60, they really don't want
you to upgrade though that costs £52 woo hoo £8 saving.
> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
> hobbiest user.
And that's part of the justification for the price tag. If you're using
this either the company has paid for it, or you're a professional who
needs it... or you're a student whom Adobe are trying to get hooked onto
their software for later gains. Like so much us proles have to wait until
the spanking new features trickle down to the affordable software ;-)
--
Phil Cook
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> ebuyer.com, Adobe Creative Suite 4, Complete Package, Windows: £1,502.62
>>
>> If that doesn't make you feel slightly dizzy, I don't know what will...
>
> Ah, that's almost affordable...
>
> MS Visual Studio 2010:
> about 1400 € for the "Professional" (= smallest!) ed.
> about 3150 € for the "Premium" ed.
> about 6650 € for the "Ultimate" ed.
Weeeeell, if you want to look at it like that...
Oracle DB, basic edition: ~£8,000
Oracle DB, enterprise edition: ~£80,000
That's without any of the options (clustering, load balancing, advanced
analytics, etc.)
Still, if you actually need the enterprise edition, £80k is peanuts to
you...
(If, on the other hand, you have no idea what the difference is and you
only bought EE because it sounds more "enterprisey", then you deserve
everything that comes to you!)
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>> That's frequently the case for users of Adobe Photoshop as well -
>> especially CS: The people who tend to use it are the pros, not the
>> hobbiest user.
>
> And that's part of the justification for the price tag. If you're using
> this either the company has paid for it, or you're a professional who
> needs it...
That I don't mind so much. For example, an Oracle DB will cost you
almost as much as a small house (!!), but then again, why the hell would
you even need it if you're only a hobbiest? It's a tad overkill just for
sorting your CD collection.
> Like so much us proles have to wait
> until the spanking new features trickle down to the affordable software ;-)
Well, these days with open-source and all, for every big commercial
application, there's at least one OSS alternative that's vaguely useable.
MS Windows => Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, ReactOS...
MS Office => OpenOffice
Photoshop => The GIMP
Illustrator => Inkscape
Oracle => MySQL, PostgreSQL
VMware => VirtualBox, QEMU, Bochs, Xen...
In each case [except Office], the commercial version is greatly
superior, but the free version does work. So it's a case of how badly
you need a high-quality product.
What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and* defective...
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And lo On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:35:47 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
> What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and*
> defective...
and on that note I just flicked to a webcomic in which the author states
it was the first time he'd done one entirely with CS5 and it crashed five
times.
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Phil Cook
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> What *does* annoy me is software which is both expensive *and*
>> defective...
>
> and on that note I just flicked to a webcomic in which the author states
> it was the first time he'd done one entirely with CS5 and it crashed
> five times.
Hehehe, yeah, that tickled me too. Questionable Content FTW! :-D
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