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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:48:08 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:21:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
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>>> PovRay Pro ;)
>>
>> Oooooh! Shiny! :-)
>>
>>
> :)
> or at twice the price + +
oooh, you're rotten, you are! ;-)
Jim
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andrel wrote:
> On 7-1-2010 21:49, Stephen wrote:
>> Blender users?
>>
> I think we need a control group that is disjunct (I am also a blender
> user).
First thing that came into my mind
> Photoshop? Probably not.
>
> Or English teachers? Do we have people here that teach English?
>
We have people here that can hardly spoke it ;)
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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> Me having that opinion would be really obnoxious if I were a rich snob,
> but I'm certainly not. I barely make a living.
>
> But I honestly don't feel any kind of jealousy towards rich people. If
> they
> want to put their kids to expensive private schools, then why not? Does it
> hurt me in any way if they do that? No. Then why should it bother me? It
> doesn't make sense.
>
> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would forbid
> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
> education,
> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
> obnoxious, IMO.
I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want or
can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
particular reason.
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> Then you don't know what it is to live in a country where almost the
> entire elite is recruited from a few schools that are only open to the
> elite.
That's not really true, I was at one of the top UK Universities and I think
it was about 50/50 students from the free regular schools (including me!)
and from private schools. At UK Universities the amount you have to pay
depends on how much your parents earn (plus a few other factors), so it's
perfectly feasible for students from very low income families to attend the
top Universities.
Of course there are far less people at the private schools compared to
regular schools, so the fact that there are so many from private schools at
the top universities means that the schooling is better and/or richer
parents generally have brighter children.
Personally I don't see any need for the jealousy, even if private schools
are banned then the parents will just pay for private tutors or give
additional teaching themselves, you can't ban that. In the end a bright
child with supportive parents will make it just fine through the regular
school system and into a top University.
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scott wrote:
At UK Universities the amount
> you have to pay depends on how much your parents earn (plus a few other
> factors), so it's perfectly feasible for students from very low income
> families to attend the top Universities.
>
Did I just hear a cat laugh?
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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scott wrote:
> Personally I don't see any need for the jealousy, even if private
> schools are banned then the parents will just pay for private tutors or
> give additional teaching themselves, you can't ban that. In the end a
> bright child with supportive parents will make it just fine through the
> regular school system and into a top University.
I agree. Banning private schools is almost impossible (define "private"
and "school"), and there are plenty of other ways that rich people can
and do give their children a huge advantage.
One thing that I've noticed is that some parents spend lots of time with
their children, talk to them, ask them things, tell them stories, and so
on and so forth. And other parents live with their children but almost
never seem to interact with them in any way, except for yelling at them
to stop smashing things up. One wonders why these parents had children
in the first place, actually... Now obviously, I don't have a shred of
evidence here, but I wonder which group of children does better at
school? I'm guessing it makes a pretty freakin' big difference...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 11-1-2010 12:33, scott wrote:
>> Me having that opinion would be really obnoxious if I were a rich snob,
>> but I'm certainly not. I barely make a living.
>>
>> But I honestly don't feel any kind of jealousy towards rich people.
>> If they
>> want to put their kids to expensive private schools, then why not?
>> Does it
>> hurt me in any way if they do that? No. Then why should it bother me? It
>> doesn't make sense.
>>
>> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would forbid
>> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
>> education,
>> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
>> obnoxious, IMO.
>
> I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want
> or can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
> particular reason.
>
>
Interesting. not at all my experience.
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>>> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would
>>> forbid
>>> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
>>> education,
>>> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
>>> obnoxious, IMO.
>>
>> I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want
>> or can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
>> particular reason.
>>
>>
> Interesting. not at all my experience.
Maybe I just don't hear very often of the ones like Warp, it's usually the
ones voicing their opinion loudly and trying to force it on others that I
seem to hear.
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scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> Maybe I just don't hear very often of the ones like Warp, it's usually the
> ones voicing their opinion loudly and trying to force it on others that I
> seem to hear.
I think that the problem is that people whose principles are of the type
"we should all stop whining and try to get along and stop being jealous of
each other" usually practice what the preach, which means that they are not
very vocal. Only people who like to whine about things they think are wrong
are the ones who are most vocal and who you hear from the most.
--
- Warp
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On 12/30/09 02:08, Darren New wrote:
> Everyone should be allowed to buy a house. That doesn't mean we take
> houses from people who own two and give them to people who are too poor
> to buy their own, you see.
To an extent, you're correct. However, if you live in a much smaller
country with little room, and 90% of the houses are owned by 10% of the
population, then it's not hard to make the argument.
--
I'm addicted to placebos. I'd give them up, but it wouldn't make any
difference. - Steven Wright
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