Warp wrote:

>   Btw, this process showed me again why I like Linux so much more than
> Windows.
> 
>   You see, I had ripped the audio track to a wav file and wanted to convert
> to an mp3. But I didn't have LAME installed. No problem. I launched the
> "install software" app, waited for about 10 seconds it updated its indices,
> then wrote "lame" in the search field, selected it from the list and clicked
> "accept". Now I had LAME installed, and I could convert the wav file with
> a simple "lame test8.wav test8.mp3".
> 
>   Overall, I estimate it took me about 30 seconds from realizing that I don't
> have LAME installed to being able to run it (most of the time going into
> waiting for the software installation app to update its indices and then
> downloading the LAME binary).
> 
>   Compare that to the situation where, in Windows, you don't have any software
> to create mp3 files and you want to get one.

You just happen to know that there's a program for doing this and it's 
called LAME. If you didn't already know that, I estimate it would take a 
while to figure it out.

Seems the real difference with Linux is that you get the OS in the form 
of a "distrubition", which contains the OS plus an insane bonanza of 
software covering more things than any normal human could ever want. 
It's all in one place, you just gotta click it. (Or whatever.) With 
Windows, you have to go get all the products from different places, 
because nobody has gathered it up into one giant database for you. (Then 
again, try installing a Unix product that isn't in your distro's package 
database...)

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Warp wrote:
>   Compare that to the situation where, in Windows, you don't have any software
> to create mp3 files and you want to get one.

You install winamp?

sorry, that comparison of yours was kinda... lame. :P

There are many good reasons to love Linux and dislike Windows, but 
that's not one of them.  Like Orchid said, you knew about mp3-creating 
software called lame...

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Warp wrote:
> "install software" app, waited for about 10 seconds it updated its indices,
> then wrote "lame" in the search field, selected it from the list and clicked
> "accept". 

I'm impressed at how friendly ubuntu is too.

If you type "ctags", it comes back and says
"ctags isn't installed. It's in the following packages:
     blah-emacs-blah
     blah-vim-blah
     exuberant-ctags-blah
Type
   sudo apt-get install <package>
to install one of these."

You don't even have to search, if you already know the name, and it's smart 
enough to actually tell you more than the package name, so you're not left 
going "OK, then what?"  That was a pain in the butt on debian.

Open source folks are finally starting to recognize the benefits of user 
friendliness.

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nemesis wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>>   Compare that to the situation where, in Windows, you don't have any
>>   software
>> to create mp3 files and you want to get one.
> 
> You install winamp?
> 
> sorry, that comparison of yours was kinda... lame. :P

I can install Kate in less time than it takes you to even start the browser 
and find the Notepad++ website...

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Darren New wrote:
> If you type "ctags", it comes back and says
> "ctags isn't installed. It's in the following packages:
>      blah-emacs-blah
>      blah-vim-blah
>      exuberant-ctags-blah
> Type
>    sudo apt-get install <package>
> to install one of these."
> 
> You don't even have to search, if you already know the name, and it's
> smart enough to actually tell you more than the package name, so you're
> not left
> going "OK, then what?"  That was a pain in the butt on debian.

Well, now in Debian you can just "apt-get install command-not-found" and get 
get that same functionality :)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> You just happen to know that there's a program for doing this and it's 
> called LAME. If you didn't already know that, I estimate it would take a 
> while to figure it out.

With the Yast installer, you can search on the names of files or the 
descriptions of what it does, too. Probably in the other package managers 
too, but I haven't found a need to do that yet.  So, no, if you searched for 
"rip mp3" you'd probably find LAME also.

> Seems the real difference with Linux is that you get the OS in the form 
> of a "distrubition", which contains the OS plus an insane bonanza of 
> software covering more things than any normal human could ever want. 
> It's all in one place, you just gotta click it. (Or whatever.) 

Yep. And if it's not already in the distribution, or you need a newer 
version, you're usually *worse* off than you are with Windows.

> Windows, you have to go get all the products from different places, 
> because nobody has gathered it up into one giant database for you. 

They did. It's called "google". ;-)

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   much longer being almost empty than almost full.

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Warp wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> (which I was able to salvage from an audio-CD where I had burned it)
> 
>   Btw, this process showed me again why I like Linux so much more than
> Windows.

>   Compare that to the situation where, in Windows, you don't have any software
> to create mp3 files and you want to get one.
> 

You make a good case for Linux, there.
I think that the biggest problem in this situation with windows is 
sifting out the rubbish apps that are available.
Last week I wanted to burn a CD from flac files I had to download three 
converter programs before I got one that worked satisfactorily.

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	Stephen

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> You just happen to know that there's a program for doing this and it's 
> called LAME. If you didn't already know that, I estimate it would take a 
> while to figure it out.

  That's the point: In Windows, even if I know exactly the program I want,
it still takes significantly longer to find and install it.

  Nevertheless, rather than "lame", I could have written "mp3 encoder" in
the search field and it would have found LAME equally well.

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nemesis <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   Compare that to the situation where, in Windows, you don't have any software
> > to create mp3 files and you want to get one.

> You install winamp?

  In 30 seconds (including starting the encoding process)? Haha. I'd like to
see that.

  I bet it would take you 30 seconds just to get to winamp's website.

> sorry, that comparison of yours was kinda... lame. :P

> There are many good reasons to love Linux and dislike Windows, but 
> that's not one of them.  Like Orchid said, you knew about mp3-creating 
> software called lame...

  I don't think you understood what I was comparing. Nowhere did I mention
software availability.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Well, now in Debian you can just "apt-get install command-not-found" and get 
> get that same functionality :)

Oh, cool. Thank you for that.

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