nemesis wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>
>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so 
>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it 
>> "football".
> 
> I disagree.  I don't see much foot in american football.  Nor that thing 
> looks much like a ball.

I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who say 
"it isn't soccer, it's football!"  That's like saying "It isn't nine-ball, 
it's billiards!"

> things like these are common:
> when players target the opponent rather than the ball.

Yeah, but it's frowned upon. ;-)

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they 
>> can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath.
> 
>   That's one of the reasons why I like (American) football and ice hockey
> more than soccer. The former two are very rough physical sports where tackling
> is actually part of the sport and the rules, yet players seldom pretend being
> hurt if they really aren't (in ice hockey they sometimes try to pretend they
> were tripped over by an opponent against the rules, but even then they don't
> pretend being hurt).

Yup. At least in football, you (the player, not the team) lose the play if 
you hold up the game for an injury. You're not allowed to say "I'm hurt, 
hold on, ok, I'm ready."  You have to leave the field until the rules say 
it's OK for you to come back on, which is after the other team has had the 
ball and now you get it back again.

Yeah. I've been looking at a lot of different sports lately. I like football 
best because it's very physical, yet there's also a lot of planning. In 
soccer and basketball, there's a lot of action, but I don't think people 
stop and say "Ok, in this next one, you pretend to pass to joe, but actually 
kick it backwards to Sam, who can run around to the left and then fire it 
over to Bill."  That sort of thing happens all the time in american 
football. There doesn't seem to be any "clever" in baseball, soccer, or 
basketball. Lots of quick decisions and activity, but no "clever." At least 
not that I see.

And baseball?  The game where the only two people who plays every play? 
Their goal is to keep anything exciting from happening?  That's OK. :-)

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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> nemesis wrote:
>>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>>
>>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so 
>>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it 
>>> "football".
>>
>> I disagree.  I don't see much foot in american football.  Nor that 
>> thing looks much like a ball.
> 
> I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who 
> say "it isn't soccer, it's football!"  That's like saying "It isn't 
> nine-ball, it's billiards!"

Is soccer even a word?  Football describes "soccer" better to me, but 
not american football.  But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's 
favorite religion.

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nemesis <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
> Is soccer even a word?  Football describes "soccer" better to me, but 
> not american football.  But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's 
> favorite religion.

  As far as I can see, the official name is "association football" (I have
no idea why it's named like that).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football

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nemesis wrote:
> Is soccer even a word? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

 > Football describes "soccer" better to me,

It's definitely the most foot-oriented ball game, for sure.

> not american football.  

We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's based 
on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call it "olive 
ball."

 > But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's
> favorite religion.

If you'd rather I just call it "football" like the other 300 million people 
around me, without distinguishing it from what *you* call football, I'm 
happy to oblige. It's just going to be confusing as hell.

Thank you for your troll. It has been noted.

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Warp wrote:
>   As far as I can see, the official name is "association football" (I have
> no idea why it's named like that).

Because it's the set of rules for football standardized by the Football 
Association. Read the "history" on that page. :-)  The "association" is the 
group of schools that decided you're not allowed to run with the ball in 
your hand. The "non-association" teams were the ones that disliked that 
rule, who later went on to play rugby.

As an aside, I was amused by the names of the players in Rugby. The 
offensive players have the titles
"hooker" (who hooks the ball with his foot), two "props" who prop up the 
hooker, two "locks" who lock the hooker in place, two "flankers" who flank 
the hooker, and "number 8."

I come to the conclusion that it's "number 8" because his job is to push on 
the hooker's thighs with his shoulders, and he didn't want the title "guy 
with his head between the hooker's thighs."



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Darren New wrote:
> 
> We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's 
> based on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call 
> it "olive ball."
> 

I thought that it was based on rugby league.


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Stephen wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>>
>> We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's 
>> based on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call 
>> it "olive ball."
>>
> 
> I thought that it was based on rugby league.

That too. "Gridiron" refers in part to the field marked off with lots of 
lines. So you can call it "gridiron football" to distinguish it from "soccer 
football" or "rugby football". "American football" is what americans play. 
"Gridiron" is what americans, canadians, australians, etc play. They're all 
terms for rules that are approximately similar, just like you have rugby 
rules for different numbers of players and such.

Certainly a lot of the rules and concepts and especially terminology comes 
from rugby.  For example, it's still called a touch down in american 
football even tho you don't actually have to touch it down. Altho it's 
common to spike the ball when you've made a touchdown in american football.

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Darren New wrote:

> That too. "Gridiron" refers in part to the field marked off with lots of 
> lines. So you can call it "gridiron football" to distinguish it from 
> "soccer football" or "rugby football". "American football" is what 
> americans play. "Gridiron" is what americans, canadians, australians, 
> etc play. They're all terms for rules that are approximately similar, 
> just like you have rugby rules for different numbers of players and such.
> 
> Certainly a lot of the rules and concepts and especially terminology 
> comes from rugby.  For example, it's still called a touch down in 
> american football even tho you don't actually have to touch it down. 
> Altho it's common to spike the ball when you've made a touchdown in 
> american football.
> 
:)

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> If you'd rather I just call it "football" like the other 300 million people
> around me, without distinguishing it from what *you* call football, I'm
> happy to oblige. It's just going to be confusing as hell.

I prefer to side with the rest of the 5 billion or so world inhabitants in
calling football a game played with the foot and a ball.

> Thank you for your troll. It has been noted.

Thanks, sometimes I feel like it's my messianic job to point out inconsistent,
religious-like reasoning.  and yeah, I know how inconsistent that sounds...

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