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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> "familiarity", "peace of mind"... LOL
>> Why is that funny?
>
> It's the politically correct tone, or something like that.
Ah, OK. Yes, now that you mention it, it's sort of like
SPOILERS FOR THE MOVIE EQUILIBRIUM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbP2djP0h5g#t=2m14s
"Calmly. Cooly. Entirely without incident."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> >> BTW, OpenOffice beats down the new MS Office in familiarity factor...
> > Sort of. The new office is easier to use tho.
>
> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>
>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>
> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess how the
> ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking over the use
> patterns of 14 million users to decide.
use patterns of 14 millions users... and somehow got something completely
different and awkward for someone used to the old way...
That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years interface
design... ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> use patterns of 14 millions users... and somehow got something completely
> different and awkward for someone used to the old way...
Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually using
it for a day.
My favorite quote was when the lead designer of the new interface was
showing it to his wife, and she complained "Why is <whatever> under the view
tab? That makes no sense." And he answered "Because that's where 97.3% of
everyone looks for it first." :-)
> That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years interface
> design... ;)
Yup. I haven't had to retrain my fingers for vi in forever. :-) I used emacs
for a couple years when I was using a language that had much better
indenting support under emacs than under vi, and I never did learn to like
it. But to each his own, of course.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Darren New schrieb:
> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
> using it for a day.
It's a PITA though if your main job involves only occasional use of
Office, and you have the old stuff at home... That sucks.
>> That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years
>> interface
>> design... ;)
Yuck^2 !
You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
interface - for a *month* at least!
Even then, I suspect it will cause mental defects and emancipate dental
fillings in semi-rare cases :-P
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clipka wrote:
> Darren New schrieb:
>> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
>> using it for a day.
>
> It's a PITA though if your main job involves only occasional use of
> Office, and you have the old stuff at home... That sucks.
Well, switching back and forth is annoying, but if it's only occasional use
it's really not that much of a problem. It's not like one memorizes
keystrokes as in vi or emacs.
This is exactly my situation, and it's really not a problem.
> You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
> room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
> the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
> interface - for a *month* at least!
Ehn. I learned vi back when emacs' execution size was bigger than the
address space available in real mode and vi would run in 64k. :-)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Darren New wrote:
>
> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
> using it for a day.
Having it installed and used for something like 2 months hasn't been
enough for me. The basic idea seems to work, but there are options that
I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
I'm not a heavy user on MSO, though, but when I use it, I usually do
something normal users don't...
-Aero
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clipka wrote:
>
> You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
> room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
> the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
> interface - for a *month* at least!
>
> Even then, I suspect it will cause mental defects and emancipate dental
> fillings in semi-rare cases :-P
After having to use Vi for couple of hours, I even efforted to find
Vi-compatible editor for Windows to use at work. It's just so fast and
practical - somehow <esc>:w! is faster than ctrl+s for me (technically
it should be just the opposite).
http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html
-Aero
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> After having to use Vi for couple of hours, I even efforted to find
> Vi-compatible editor for Windows to use at work.
"GVIM" is the usual answer to this. http://www.vim.org/
That's probably just the most widely used version, and it's the same "vim"
as on Linux and all that. Lots of good extensions over standard vi, while
still being finger-compatible.
> It's just so fast and practical
The one thing I missed most when I was using emacs was the "." command.
In any case, just so you know, vi vs emacs arguments are a classic flamefest.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Eero Ahonen schrieb:
> Having it installed and used for something like 2 months hasn't been
> enough for me. The basic idea seems to work, but there are options that
> I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
Maybe because 99.999% of all users never search for that /anywhere/, so
that's exactly where they possibly placed it...? :-)
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
I just fired it up, hit F1, and typed "security level for running macros".
I got an entire tutorial on it, including how to sign code and links to
things like "how to turn off security warnings permanently" on other pages.
I'm guessing you're missing the developer tab, which you have to explicitly
turn on according to the docs.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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