On 6-7-2009 19:16, Darren New wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> Why to religions insist that you have to believe in a god before you 
>> can go to
>> the good place when you die? Why is it not enough to be a good person?
> 
> Only the monotheistic religions.
> 
> Buddhism, for example, says (in some sense) you have to stop believing 
> in God in order to go to the good place. :-)
> 
> The Mayan religions held that you merely needed to die by blood in order 
> to help save the world.  As I ever so vaguely understand it, all the 
> actual gods were already dead. The sacrifices were to help keep the 
> world going after all the gods sacrificed themselves to make it. 
> (Disclaimer: this was the audio track on a tourist attraction, so take 
> it with some large-granule sea salt.)
> 
> It makes sense that a monotheistic religion would need much more to 
> convince you that their god is the right god.
> 
And there are also the wee free men who believe they are already dead 
because they live in such a good place.

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On 6-7-2009 18:41, Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Because you're believing in a different God than Ray Comfort or Fred Phelps.
> 
>   Btw, I don't know if you have noticed, but I have never stated what
> I believe in.

Don't worry, we noticed, I even made a reference to it a few times in 
this thread.

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BTW, I want to sincerely thank you for discussing this. I know it can get 
annoying and frustrating to try to talk about such things, especially in 
this medium.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Insanity is a small city on the western
   border of the State of Mind.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> BTW, I want to sincerely thank you for discussing this. I know it can get 
> annoying and frustrating to try to talk about such things, especially in 
> this medium.

  That's especially true because it's so easy to misunderstand what the
other is saying, especially with these types of subjects. I am first to
admit that I'm not 100% unprejudiced, and I always expect certain things
from people who challenge christianity.

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Warp wrote:
>   That's especially true because it's so easy to misunderstand what the
> other is saying, especially with these types of subjects.

Funny how discussing completely opposing viewpoints on the very existence 
and meaning of the universe tends to cause that, isn't it? :-)

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Insanity is a small city on the western
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:32:34 +0200, andrel wrote:

> I prefer broccoli over cabbage, is that good?

I prefer neither.  I'll eat both.  But I wouldn't use broccoli in 
coleslaw or cabbage in ... Um, something that broccoli is an integral 
component of that doesn't have "broccoli" in the name. :-)

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> If they had honestly been defending marriage 
> 
> Well, it was all BS. I have no idea why "marriage" would need defending. 
> The only threat to anyones marriages were coming *from* the "defense of 
> marriage" amendment.
> 
The same people insist that they believe in an all knowing, all 
powerful, omni-present god, who dictates virtually everything in the 
known universe, and even knows who will sin and not sin, yet ***still*** 
think that **they** need to decide which is the one true faith following 
him, and defend both that faith, and him, from attacks by people that 
simply don't believe in the same things (or in any of it at all). Why 
the hell wouldn't they imagine that "marriage" needed to be similarly 
defended?

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Chambers wrote:
> So don't call it marriage.  Call it a Civil union, even, and let 
> organized religion deal with marriage however they wish.
> 
Doesn't work. The fracking nuts "still" insist that its marriage, and 
that some special "rights" are being taken from them, and therefor they 
should fight it. You may as well ask them to stop attacking public 
education as a whole, on the basis that they imagine its too secular and 
run by Darwinists. Seen the latest news. Texas' local feudal lord (they 
certainly don't seem to want to function as a representative of the 
people) is considering replacing the existing insane head of the Texas 
School Board with an even bigger dumb ass and nut case. You know the type:

1. Hasn't read their own Bible.
2. Hasn't read the constitution.
3. Hasn't read the Treaty of Tripoli.
3. Hasn't read "any" of the documents the founders created defining how 
a state becomes a state, one of the requirements being that "You can't 
be one, until you provide for education of the general public."
4. Is absolutely sure that>
   a) We are a founded as Christian nation.
   b) Thinks the constitution says you can have a theocracy, as long as 
you are 'nice' about it.
   c) Public schools are unconstitutional.

I don't care if you called it, "That totally immoral thing we allow 
because the state says so.", ***they*** will call it fracking marriage 
and send their zombies out with picket signs anyway. We are not dealing 
with sane, rational, never mind *reality/fact based* people here.

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Chambers wrote:
> One of the basic beliefs of the LDS Church is that you shouldn't need to 
> be told what to do, anyway.  An intelligent member, who is familiar with 
> the life and teachings of Christ, should have no problems figuring out 
> how to live a moral life.
> 

Doesn't that kind of, sort of, run contrary to the idea that you "need" 
an LDS church in the first place? Just saying, because... well, if they 
think you still do, just so they can make sure you "do" know those 
things, their way, then... this really isn't a truthful stance, is it?

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:58:53 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> On 5 Jul 2009 22:44:06 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Cola drinks contain caffeine, a drug.  Caffeine is not wholesome nor
>>> prudent for the use of our bodies.  Therefore, as the Bishop wrote, "It
>>> is only sound judgment to conclude that cola drinks and any others that
>>> contain caffeine or other harmful ingredients should not be used." 
>>> (Q&A, New Era, Oct. 1975.)
>> Out of interest and to my relief ;)
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8132122.stm
> 
> Interesting, though it didn't do anything for my dad (though arguably he 
> drank decaf....)
> 
> Jim
Mind, the church's conclusion isn't all that sane anyway. Tea contains 
caffeine, in most cases, so does coffee, and more than a few other 
things. Pretty much "everything" is a drug, if it has an effect on the 
body, *including* the herbs and things that are "good for you". But, 
what do you expect from people basing their stance on pre-science 
thinking, and the same sort of, "if its natural, its not one of those 
icky *drugs*", gibberish that feeds altie medicine as well. :p

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