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>> What the **** do they make the actual disk out of? Because man, it's
>> unbreakable!
>
> They're not hard to snap in half, have done that on occasion with media
> where the dye has given up.
As I told Warp, I was talking about floppy disks. (The floppy,
disk-shaped part.)
> Interestingly, though, if you put them through a shredder (I have one
> that handles CD/DVD media), often times the plastic doesn't come apart
> and you end up with interesting designs.
IME, pressed CDs shatter, while CD-Rs are less brittle. Also, pressed
CDs shatter into pieces, but with CD-Rs the reflective label tends to
peel off, leaving you with a shredder full of glitter.
Whatever; the shredder makes a satisfying crunking sound... >:-D
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Compared to chipping bits out of stone, 3.5" floppies are fragile.
Been round any graveyards recently? Acid rain does horrible things to
stone. :-P
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Chambers wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> music CDs). Nevertheless, it's still a bad idea: The optical data is just
>> there, naked, without any protection,
>
> Sure, it's got protection. The actual data in written below the surface
> of the disc, which is why scratches can be repaired on discs and you
> won't lose any data.
>
Yeah. Because the stuff you buy on the cheap fixes these problems "so
well", nearly everyone has a polisher in their closet, and you can
repolish the surface forever....
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 07:13:36 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> What the **** do they make the actual disk out of? Because man, it's
>>> unbreakable!
>>
>> They're not hard to snap in half, have done that on occasion with media
>> where the dye has given up.
>
> As I told Warp, I was talking about floppy disks. (The floppy,
> disk-shaped part.)
Ah, I see - yes, that part is difficult to tear, but it can be punctured
with relative ease.
>> Interestingly, though, if you put them through a shredder (I have one
>> that handles CD/DVD media), often times the plastic doesn't come apart
>> and you end up with interesting designs.
>
> IME, pressed CDs shatter, while CD-Rs are less brittle. Also, pressed
> CDs shatter into pieces, but with CD-Rs the reflective label tends to
> peel off, leaving you with a shredder full of glitter.
Yeah, that's true. And that glitter gets *everywhere* too.
I haven't tried pressed CDs, but I've got some old ones in the basement I
could probably whack in to see what happens. Might be interesting to see
the difference.
> Whatever; the shredder makes a satisfying crunking sound... >:-D
This is very true. :-)
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 07:14:26 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Compared to chipping bits out of stone, 3.5" floppies are fragile.
>
> Been round any graveyards recently? Acid rain does horrible things to
> stone. :-P
I used to live across the street from a graveyard. :-)
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> Then it's worth being careful with the things you purchase.
>
> Compare to the good old 3.5-inch floppies. You could throw them accross
> the room and hit a wall and play football with them, and they would still
> work just fine.
>
The real irony here is, the "earliest" models of CD technology had a
"case" you inserted them into, with a sort of latched door, just like
the 3.5 inch floppy, so the surface was only "visible", and
"unprotected", while in the machine to read it. Problem is, since they
could be removed from those things (it was too costly to provide one for
each) people lost them, then the reader wouldn't work, since there was
no "tray" to put the disc in, and insert into the reader.
Personally, I think they had the right idea to start with, and went
stupid, due to cost, minor inconvenient, and the human tendency to
misplace "critical" parts. If I had a choice, I would use something like
a slim case, with a door on it, rather than the thing we have now. And,
except for people that buy those lame "sleeves", which just help scratch
up the discs over time, most people buy boxes of those things anyway,
because they stack well, protect the disc, and are not "so much" larger
than the discs themselves that they care any more. It wouldn't be that
hard to rig a "door" on one, or some sort, and clip out a bit of the
center, so it can be mounted on the spin mechanism. Oh, and.. if you get
one of those rare, "It exploded!", situations, it wouldn't throw shards
throughout the entire reader. lol
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> Well, if you have children around, you just have to accept that anything
> remotely valuable *will* be destroyed, and there is nothing you can do
> about it. I've seen plenty of VHS tapes destroyed by children - and
> they're are armour-plated!
>
If you have children, you simply have a copy of every freaking optical
media they can and/or should reach to. When they scratch it, it's week
or two without that particular media (the exact amount of time depends,
it has to be missed but not just forgotten) before you burn a new copy
for them. This continues as long as A) they learn to handle the discs
correctly or B) they start buying theier own discs.
-Aero
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> If you have children, you simply have a copy of every freaking optical
> media they can and/or should reach to.
I think that's supporting Warp's point, there. :-)
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andrel wrote:
> Try a child of your own or a grandchild.
If they're not old enough to handle it without breaking it, then they're
not old enough to handle it.
We don't let kids drive cars, use guns, or any number of other things
because it's understood that they aren't capable of doing so
responsibly. It's the same with optical disks; if you let them handle
your optical disks, when you *know* they aren't capable of doing so,
then don't complain when they break them.
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On 30-5-2009 20:00, Chambers wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Try a child of your own or a grandchild.
>
> If they're not old enough to handle it without breaking it, then they're
> not old enough to handle it.
>
> We don't let kids drive cars, use guns, or any number of other things
> because it's understood that they aren't capable of doing so
> responsibly.
Read the news, kids do drive, fire guns order on ebay and do all sort of
other things that we know they aren't capable of. Somehow they have a
different opinion.
> It's the same with optical disks; if you let them handle
> your optical disks, when you *know* they aren't capable of doing so,
> then don't complain when they break them.
I wasn't complaining. Anyway as a theory it is sort of right. In
practice there is only a limited storage space available above 2m and
even that is not safe if you haven't bolted down your chairs and tables.
Kids tend to surprise you with finding solutions to problems that you
hadn't even though of (both s & p).
Note also that the idea of raising a kid is to try to let them learn
things. Not letting them handle disks until they can will result in them
never being able, so that is not an option. As a matter of fact we all
know grown ups that in your scheme should be forbidden to handle them.
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