scott escreveu:
>> Windows is far more used than Linux and thus it is expected that most 
>> Blender users are also Windows users.
> 
> So why not use the normal Windows GUI in the Windows port?

Because the OpenGL interface works on both, unmodified.

>> just to call those "2 lines".  dired mode is only suffering for people 
>> who do not take their time to learn how to properly use it.
> 
> Most people don't have time to learn all the quirky features of every 
> single program, that's why OS standards exist for common operations like 
> "show context menu", "save", "select" etc.

OS standards change from OS to OS.

> But if you used Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Paint Shop Pro, Blender, Emacs, 
> POV, Visual Studio, some other 3D software etc all regularly and they 
> all used different keyboard shortcuts and UIs, would you remember them 
> all and be able to work very efficiently?

Seemingly, yes.  I'm a regular user of Firefox, Thunderbird, Blender, 
Gimp, vim, Excel, Delphi and MS SQL Analizer.  All of them have many 
special quirks and having just 3 or 4 common keyboard shortcuts shared 
among them doesn't help that much.

> My point is just use the Windows GUI and standards, 
> everyone knows how to use it and it's easier for you as a programmer - 
> you can't go wrong.

Not when you want it to be cross-platform and you don't have enough 
resources to please specific platform audiences.

> Clever people realise there's no need for it to take as much learning as 
> it currently does, and then search for alternatives.

Clever people realize not having 3 or 4 common keyboard shortcuts is a 
lame excuse for not learning the other 80 or so specific features and 
shortcuts a software might provide.

In the case of text editors, the only true viable alternative to emacs 
is vim.

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Warp wrote:
>   Nothing more fake than claiming a language is about as fast as C, when
> in fact it's *compiled as C*, in the first place.

Nah. Being a high-level language that compiles down to C that's as fast as 
one might have written manually in C is pretty impressive.

Being *slower* than "native" C while compiling down to C is easy. Being as 
fast as C when compiling down to C is tough. Being faster than C is (I'd 
say) impossible if you actually have C as an intermediate language.

Otherwise, SQL is nothing more than fancy assembly language.

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Warp wrote:
>   So in your opinion people who have been using emacs in a unix system
> for 20 years have no right to use the same software in the exact same
> way in Windows?

My favorite is how emacs brings up the help screen when you hit backspace. 
I'm pretty sure the defined meaning of backspace predates emacs. :-)

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Darren New escreveu:
> Being *slower* than "native" C while compiling down to C is easy. Being 
> as fast as C when compiling down to C is tough. Being faster than C is 
> (I'd say) impossible if you actually have C as an intermediate language.

Look up Stalin Scheme.  A heavily agressive optimizing compiler for 
Scheme that quite a few times generates C code that beats hand written C 
code.  If you look at the C source it outputs, you'll be shocked by how 
badly it treats C as truly portable assembly.  Lots of structs and loop 
unrolls.  Worthy of the name.

It is very slow to compile as it's a whole program compiler performing 
many analyses and type inferencing.  It's meant as the very last step in 
the development cycle, after all iterative developing, testing and bug 
fixing was done and is ready to go production.  Think about that, truly 
being able to program in a confortable language without ever thinking on 
how to make the compiler happy and getting top-notch fast code without 
any tweaks...

OTOH, it doesn't support such niceties of Scheme such as a full-numeric 
tower, full-continuations or define-syntax.

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Darren New escreveu:
> My favorite is how emacs brings up the help screen when you hit 
> backspace. I'm pretty sure the defined meaning of backspace predates 
> emacs. :-)

I may be a little rusty at emacs but I don't really remember that.

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nemesis wrote:
> Look up Stalin Scheme.  A heavily agressive optimizing compiler for 
> Scheme that quite a few times generates C code that beats hand written C 
> code.  If you look at the C source it outputs, you'll be shocked by how 
> badly it treats C as truly portable assembly.  Lots of structs and loop 
> unrolls.  Worthy of the name.

Sure. It generates code you wouldn't dream of spending the time to generate 
by hand. But it's still not going to be faster than the best C that can be 
written for that platform.   (That's kind of a "duh, no kidding" statement, 
sure.)

Contrast with something that generates machine code natively, which might 
output code that your C compiler would never output, for example.

If your front-end outputs C, you're never going to out-perform the C code it 
generates. If your C compiler can't take advantage of the GPU to do math or 
can't hook into interrupt vectors directly or ..., then your language isn't 
going to do better.

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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> My favorite is how emacs brings up the help screen when you hit 
>> backspace. I'm pretty sure the defined meaning of backspace predates 
>> emacs. :-)
> 
> I may be a little rusty at emacs but I don't really remember that.

Backspace is C-h, yes? C-h is "help".  Gets me every time.

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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	As for kill and yank, do realize that Emacs is old. I'm not sure cut
> and paste was common editor parlance in those days.

Of course it was. "Cut and paste" is the term left over from before 
computers, remember? :-) It's how you composed a newspaper before digital 
ever existed.

I suspect it's more because there were way too many mnemonic keys needed.

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Invisible wrote:
> By the way... what kind of keyboard actually has a Meta key?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard

A lot of the keyboards that had multiple character sets (like APL keyboards) 
had meta keys too.  Sun SPARCstations had meta keys.

Wasn't that uncommon before IBM keyboards took over.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (I'm pretty sure I recall seeing shell scripts that generate edlin 
> scripts that do useful stuff. Notepad would be useless here.)

http://nerds-central.blogspot.com/2007/01/using-vbscript-to-paste-text-into.html

Not that I'm seriously suggesting the technique, mind...

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