>>>> whoa!  You're... an experienced man. :)
>>>
>>> I'll sell you some :)
>> ...experience? Hot wax??
> 
> Don't knock it 'till you've tried it ;-)

Which?

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On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:48:25 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:17:22 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven't seen these multiple-key "shortcuts" before...)
>> 
>> Ctrl + Alt + Del ?
>
>Yes. You press them all at once.
>
>The only place I've seen where a single "shotcut" involves pressing and 
>releasing multiple keys in a sequence is those magic ALT-code that are 
>supposed to insert special characters but never actually work right.

In Windows (Praise be its Name!) If you press Alt + {a first letter of a menu
word (or the underlined letter)}, release then the underlined letter of the
command you want. You have your actual multi digit shortcuts.
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:48:44 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>>>> whoa!  You're... an experienced man. :)
>>>>
>>>> I'll sell you some :)
>>> ...experience? Hot wax??
>> 
>> Don't knock it 'till you've tried it ;-)
>
>Which?

Hot wax, you couldn't possibly mean programming, could you?
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Stephen escreveu:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:48:25 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:17:22 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't seen these multiple-key "shortcuts" before...)
>>> Ctrl + Alt + Del ?
>> Yes. You press them all at once.
>>
>> The only place I've seen where a single "shotcut" involves pressing and 
>> releasing multiple keys in a sequence is those magic ALT-code that are 
>> supposed to insert special characters but never actually work right.
> 
> In Windows (Praise be its Name!) If you press Alt + {a first letter of a menu
> word (or the underlined letter)}, release then the underlined letter of the
> command you want. You have your actual multi digit shortcuts.

Yes, I used a lot in Photoshop!  While my coworkers were manually 
bringing down the menus, then selecting with the mouse submenus then 
selecting the desired menu item, I had already used the feature.  :)

Keyboard shortcuts are a blessing.  Here's what Master Foo has to say 
about GUIs:

http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/gui-programmer.html

:)

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On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:24:36 -0300, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:


>Yes, I used a lot in Photoshop!  While my coworkers were manually 
>bringing down the menus, then selecting with the mouse submenus then 
>selecting the desired menu item, I had already used the feature.  :)
>

It drives me mad at work watching other people using a mouse. I have to
physically restrain myself from taking over the driving the machine.
I have had to learn how to use the context sensitive menu because when I am
demonstrating things it is impossible to follow what is going on using
shortcuts. 

>Keyboard shortcuts are a blessing.  Here's what Master Foo has to say 
>about GUIs:
>
>http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/gui-programmer.html
>
>:)

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Invisible wrote:

> It just seems to me that now almost everything Emacs does can also
> be done by half a dozen other tools - most of which don't require
> you to memorise long sequences of keyboard acrobatics to do
> things. So while I get that Emacs seemed amazing 30 years ago, why
> do people still use it today?

Don't know Emacs, but I'll try to give an answer for Vim which may
be relevant. I have tried Scite, but don't remember much about it.
Scite may be able to do more than I think it can.

1. Macros and functions

2. I have become fond of a portion of the many small moving/editing
tools which (in may case) work more quickly that selecting text w/ a
mouse or moving with the scroll bar.
Some of my favorites:
   zz Center cursor line on page
   cw erase a word
   C-a increase next number by 1
   n C-x decrease next number by n
   % move to the cursor to the matching bracket or parentheses
   C-d like pagedown, but only half a page
   gg beginning of a file
   * next occurrence of word under cursor
   gq rearranges text to fit in variable "textwidth" columns
     (used to format the quote in this message)
     (I don't like broken lines in quoted text)
   :n go to line-number n

-Shay

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scott escreveu:
>>> Really, I wish MS would ban software that doesn't at least use the 
>>> standard font, menus, toolbars, dialogs etc.
>>
>> Emacs and vi were around long before Microsoft began selling DOS.  
>> Their standards are as valid in their context as Microsoft's in their 
>> products.
> 
> Sure, but if you write or port a program to run under windows it should 
> follow at least some basic style guidelines.  IIRC they are on the MS 
> website somewhere under their "logo program".  It makes life easier for 
> everyone using that OS, rather than ending up with a mish-mash of 
> programs all doing everything their own way.

It's free software so no one can impede some nut of porting it to 
platforms other than Unix.  It's their trouble if they want to suit 
their new audience to their tastes, though.

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nemesis wrote:
> Tim Attwood escreveu:
>>>> emacs is a religion.  Notepad isn't.
>> I've been using Notepad++ lately, it seems OK.
>> It has context highlighting for a bunch of languages.
>> http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
>>
>> Didn't mice and pull-down menus make Emacs obsolete?
> 
> Right.  Here's a challenge for you, copy the query below with your mouse 
> and paste it below.  Then compare with the ease of doing the same with 
> y}}p on vim.
> 
> y} copies (yanks) the following block of text, doesn't matter the size. 
>  } goes one block of text below, then p pastes the copy just after the 
> cursor.  No, I don't remember how exactly to do it on emacs, but hardly 
> different that much and just as easy.

Heres one way to do same with Emacs:

M-h  // mark-paragraph
C-w  // kill-region
C-y  // yank
C-y  // yank

Another way is:

C-space  // set-mark-command
M-}      // forward-paragraph
C-w      // kill-region
C-y      // yank
C-y      // yank

If you are in the middle of a paragraph, these two will give different 
results. The first one will copy the whole paragraph, while the last
one will only copy from the cursor to the end of the paragraph.

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Invisible wrote:

> So while I get that Emacs seemed amazing 30 years ago, why do
> people still use it today?

It also occurs to me that while you are talking about older software, 
you are presenting typical luddite arguments.

Why do I need x, y, and z feature when Win3.0, KDE1, or whatever did 
whatever I need?

Once I got used to the "feature creep" stuff, I found it hard to go 
back. What do you mean alt-tab cycles through the window list instead of 
going back to my last focused window? What do you mean I can't drag and 
drop from my folder onto my desktop? What do you mean media doesn't 
mount automatically?

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> 1. Macros and functions
>
> 2. I have become fond of a portion of the many small moving/editing
> tools which (in may case) work more quickly that selecting text w/ a
> mouse or moving with the scroll bar.
> Some of my favorites:

3. Log into random machines/servers and your favorite editor is already there,
no configuration necessary.

 - Ricky

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