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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:
> ..damned plebes...
What do you have against plebeians? As I see it, besting a guy at
hacking makes you no more a patriarch than besting you at hammering
would make me John Henry.
-Shay
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:09:41 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:42:21 -0400, Warp wrote:
>
>> >> Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, though, and it's far,
>> >> far better to err on the side of caution with something like this
>> >
>> > Hmm, exactly how is it illegal to make an assumption about the
>> > legality
>> > of someone's action in a certain country/state?
>
>> It's not illegal to make the assumption. But if you make the
>> assumption it's "safe" and it's illegal, you aren't going to catch a
>> break - because ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
>
> It was a rethorical question. I just wanted to point out that I said
> nothing about whether it's a good idea to do it or not. My original
> point was that people seem to always assume it's illegal without
> actually knowing the actual laws of the place.
Sure. But at the same time, you would agree, I think, that it's better
to err on the side of legality, not illegality.
>> > Ok, maybe if a lawyer did that and he is mistaken, he could get
>> > sued for
>> > malpractice or something.
>
>> We're talking about two different things, I think.
>
> I was just being sarcastic. I apologize.
No problem, I actually didn't understand the comment, even with sarcasm
tags in place.
>> >>, lest you
>> >> end up in jail for statutory rape with a bunch of people who REALLY
>> >> don't like rapists. From what I hear, people convicted of that -
>> >> especially when minors are involved - tend not to do very well in
>> >> the general prison population.
>> >
>> > And if you really are innocent and convicted wrongly, tough luck.
>
>> Welcome to the justice system in the USA....
>
> I don't believe being beaten up in prison is part of the justice
> system.
> Not the legal one, at least.
Those who have been in prison (I haven't, but I have family who has been)
describe an entirely different code of conduct between prisoners. There
is a very distinct type of order, and while there are guards who will
keep things from getting too far out of hand, there are things they don't
interfere in either.
Jim
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"Shay" <n@n.n> wrote in message news:49c3ab4f$1@news.povray.org...
> [GDS|Entropy] wrote:
>> ..damned plebes...
>
> What do you have against plebeians?
>>[snip]
>
> -Shay
>
Plebe as used here isn't the common proper reference to a plebian, but is
instead derogatory slang of unknown age referring to someone as being a
commoner, of low intelligence, breeding, general ability or social
standing...or all of the above.
Essentially stating that the target is the worthless gutter-dwelling
offspring produced by barely human evolutionary dead-end progenitors.
ian
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On 23-3-2009 5:51, [GDS|Entropy] wrote:
> "Shay" <n@n.n> wrote in message news:49c3ab4f$1@news.povray.org...
>> [GDS|Entropy] wrote:
>>> ..damned plebes...
>> What do you have against plebeians?
>>> [snip]
>> -Shay
>>
>
> Plebe as used here isn't the common proper reference to a plebian, but is
> instead derogatory slang of unknown age
It is derived directly from the Romans, so at least about 22 centuries.
> referring to someone as being a
> commoner, of low intelligence, breeding, general ability or social
> standing...or all of the above.
>
> Essentially stating that the target is the worthless gutter-dwelling
> offspring produced by barely human evolutionary dead-end progenitors.
Perhaps Shay is referring to the possibility that superficially he may
possess all or most of the above qualifications*. That is a bit of a
problem with these kind of international forums, you get all kinds.
*) This is not meant to imply that I think Shay actually is common or
dumb or any of the above. As most of us here, I think, I hold him in
high regard. It is just that I am not sure what my first impression
would be if I met him personally not knowing who he is. Actually I know
I don't know what he looks like, so this may just be a result of a
double prejudice. ;)
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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:
>> Plebe as used here <snip> (is) Essentially stating that the
>> target is the worthless gutter-dwelling offspring produced by
>> barely human evolutionary dead-end progenitors.
andrel wrote:
> Perhaps Shay is referring to the possibility that superficially he
> may possess all or most of the above qualifications*.
Hmmmm. Gutter dwelling? Not at the moment, but, sure, been there, done
that. As for my progenitors, they did produce a brother who cat out-geek
(currently pursuing a doctorate in EE) most on this forum.
> That is a bit of a problem with these kind of international
> forums, you get all kinds.
It appears Mr. Entropy is a savage American like myself. In fact, he's
the most savage kind: a "Reb."
Regarding the plebeian thing. What if I were telling the original story?
Say some guy tried to hack my computer, and, for the sake of argument,
let's allow that I knew where the guy lived. I couldn't hack him back; I
wouldn't know where to start. So, in this version, I, unable to
retaliate in kind, instead went to the hacker's house and shoved his
computer sideways up his ass.
If the story went that way, I'd be telling in from jail. I have to play
by your rules and retaliate in a matter that might get me a
finger-wagging on a news-server, but will not likely get me thrown in
jail. And jail is only a small part of the reason I wouldn't shove the
computer up his ass. I wouldn't do it because a little property damage
on his part isn't worth either of us losing teeth and because I don't
want my family to live in a world where people go bashing each other's
heads in over small arguments. I, like most plebeians, *choose* to face
conflict with one arm tied behind my back.
Of course, you don't go around punching people either, but it's likely
not your *best* choice (mine either most of the time). Your best choices
are less-frightening to (and as a result, more tolerated by) society. A
classic example is downloading a CD versus running out of a store with one.
My point? A lot of the bullshit in society happens because we plebeians
*allow* ourselves to get kicked around. Because we, as a whole, have
decided that the cure is worse than the disease. But we can always
change our minds.
> I am not sure what my first impression would be if I met [Shay]
> personally not knowing who he is. Actually I know I don't know
> what he looks like, so this may just be a result of a double
> prejudice. ;)
Recent picture attached. The hat does hide the sloping forehead. :) I
suspect that if you met me, not knowing who I was, you'd not be
surprised to find out.
-Shay
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:38:33 -0500, Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
>Recent picture attached.
Have you lost weight and bulked out?
I think that you posted a photo years ago.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 15-4-2009 12:38, Shay wrote:
>
> My point? A lot of the bullshit in society happens because we plebeians
> *allow* ourselves to get kicked around. Because we, as a whole, have
> decided that the cure is worse than the disease. But we can always
> change our minds.
At least I got the idea right that you might see yourselves as plebs.
> Recent picture attached.
Looks rather decent to me. Apart from the suggestion that you have just
seen a UFO, perhaps.
> The hat does hide the sloping forehead. :)
Like a Neanderthaler? That is so pre-plebs. ;)
Your visits here seen to be few and far between. I hope you have an
interesting real life.
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Stephen wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:38:33 -0500, Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
>
>> Recent picture attached.
>
> Have you lost weight and bulked out?
>
> I think that you posted a photo years ago.
I've posted a few picks over the years, but I'm guessing you mean the
picture where I had a hard time convincing the 150lb (60kilo, 10.7stone)
Europeans on the group that I was (at 185/84/13.2) considered a fairly
skinny American (at least, skinny for >30). I'm the same size as I was
then. I just look stronger in a t-shirt and less bulky in pants that fit.
-Shay
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andrel wrote:
> Your visits here seen to be few and far between. I hope you have an
> interesting real life.
Too!
But I'm trying not to lose track of the friends I made doing POV-Ray.
-Shay
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:20:43 -0500, Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:38:33 -0500, Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
>>
>>> Recent picture attached.
>>
>> Have you lost weight and bulked out?
>>
>> I think that you posted a photo years ago.
>
>I've posted a few picks over the years, but I'm guessing you mean the
>picture where I had a hard time convincing the 150lb (60kilo, 10.7stone)
>Europeans on the group that I was (at 185/84/13.2) considered a fairly
>skinny American (at least, skinny for >30). I'm the same size as I was
>then. I just look stronger in a t-shirt and less bulky in pants that fit.
>
I seem to remember a photo of you and a mate under an elevated highway or
offshore. ???
I probably am mistaken, I was before in 1989 IIRC :)
--
Regards
Stephen
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