Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> LOL, now there's something that would be fun - a car that is driven 
> through a neural interface.

Hm, I don't really get that. Given that the ESP know the direction the
car is going (after all, it certainly does realize if the car's going
sideways) and it should be trivial to know the steering wheel position,
ESP should be easily able to realize that the car isn't turning like the
driver means. And it does realize that, if I'll just push the throttle
to the floor and turns the car with brakes, but doesn't if I keep the
throttle steady.

> Jim

-Aero

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:40:06 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:53:30 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, also on drum brakes. But why on earth would you engage brakes
>>> fully, if you're not trying to stop the car as quickly as possible?
>> 
>> Because slamming on the brakes on ice doesn't have that effect.
> 
> True, but the optimal braking with almost locked tires is pretty hard
> thing to do - usually it's much wiser to just hit the brakes fully, if
> you're trying to stop the car ASAP for some reason.

On dry pavement I'd tend to agree, though I have been known to combine 
the brakes and steering; two options, get out of the path of whatever it 
is that you are going to hit (or is going to hit you) and stop as quick 
as you can.  Gotta be careful, though, because that kind of reaction can 
cause a rollover if you're not careful.  The objective is to keep all 
four wheels on the ground in a situation like that - wheels in the air 
don't do anything for braking or steering.

>> I don't do it on ice.  You can (and I can) lock the wheels driving at
>> 50 MPH with the brakes, but that also is likely to cause an
>> uncontrollable skid - though a shorter one - and often that is more
>> desirable than running into whatever it is that you're braking hard to
>> avoid.
> 
> Yep, and the same laws work also on ice and on snow, braking distances
> just grow even exponentially.

How well I know; having learned on ice and packed snow, for the first few 
days on dry pavement, I misjudged stopping distances pretty badly.  
Fortunately, I was a quick learner and didn't have any accidents.

Jim

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:43:28 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> LOL, now there's something that would be fun - a car that is driven
>> through a neural interface.
> 
> Hm, I don't really get that. Given that the ESP know the direction the
> car is going (after all, it certainly does realize if the car's going
> sideways) and it should be trivial to know the steering wheel position,
> ESP should be easily able to realize that the car isn't turning like the
> driver means. And it does realize that, if I'll just push the throttle
> to the floor and turns the car with brakes, but doesn't if I keep the
> throttle steady.

I think we're talking about two different things....I interpreted ESP as 
"Extrasensory Perception" and tied it into a neural link...you must be 
talking about some other usage of the TLA "ESP". :-)

Jim

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On 13 Feb 2009 17:44:43 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>> Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems with
>> typing but with mouse work.
>
>I do take ibuprofen (usually for headaches, though).  I use a touchpad 
>rather than a mouse - I find it very difficult to use a mouse because 
>I've used touchpads for so long.
>

Have you tried a graphics tablet?  The natural feeling of using a pen takes away
a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.

>> In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland it
>> is a fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and you
>> get two.
>
>Aye, then 'tis the supper for me. ;-)
>

Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the deep fat
fryer?
BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.

>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around 
>now. :-( )

Home fries?
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     Stephen

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:30:02 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 13 Feb 2009 17:44:43 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>> Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems
>>> with typing but with mouse work.
>>
>>I do take ibuprofen (usually for headaches, though).  I use a touchpad
>>rather than a mouse - I find it very difficult to use a mouse because
>>I've used touchpads for so long.
>>
> Have you tried a graphics tablet?  The natural feeling of using a pen
> takes away a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.

I haven't, but maybe I should. :-)  I'm no artist, but I have wanted to 
try out a pressure-sensitive pad for various things as well.  Wacom is 
supposed to make pretty good ones, wonder if there's someone locally who 
has one I can try out....

>>> In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland
>>> it is a fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and
>>> you get two.
>>
>>Aye, then 'tis the supper for me. ;-)
>>
> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the
> deep fat fryer?

Ugh, no - I do have my limits. ;-)

> BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.

That makes sense.  Actually sounds kinda like a calzone, but deep-fried.

>>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
>>now. :-( )
> 
> Home fries?

Yeah, they used to, but had a problem with their supplier.  The fish was 
pretty good, but after their original place was torn down, they went into 
too much debt in the new location.  A real shame, because the food was 
very good.

Not as good as we had in Hastings (but it's hard to get really fresh fish 
here in the desert - not impossible, but it's very pricey), but still 
very good.

Jim

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Stephen wrote:
> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the deep fat
> fryer?

 From recent experience: If you slide a pizza out of the oven and the 
cardboard you're using to carry it buckles, and the pizza starts to slide 
off towards the floor, you *might* want to just write it off, rather than 
catching it with bare hands.  Because it's gonna be cold before you finish 
putting medicine on the burns anyway. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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On 14 Feb 2009 14:57:52 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>> Have you tried a graphics tablet?  The natural feeling of using a pen
>> takes away a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.
>
>I haven't, but maybe I should. :-)  I'm no artist, but I have wanted to 
>try out a pressure-sensitive pad for various things as well.  Wacom is 
>supposed to make pretty good ones, wonder if there's someone locally who 
>has one I can try out....
>

I bought a Wacom on ebay cheaply to try it out. (There was a lot of discussion
here at the time) I found that I liked using it so much I bought two cheep ones

only use them as a mouse substitute. I find that they reduce my RSI a lot
especially if I swap between the tablet, mouse and touch pad.

>> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the
>> deep fat fryer?
>
>Ugh, no - I do have my limits. ;-)
>

So do I :)

>> BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.
>
>That makes sense.  Actually sounds kinda like a calzone, but deep-fried.
>

Think deep fried soft bread Yeuch!

>>>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
>>>now. :-( )
>> 
>> Home fries?
>
>Yeah, they used to, but had a problem with their supplier.  The fish was 
>pretty good, but after their original place was torn down, they went into 
>too much debt in the new location.  A real shame, because the food was 
>very good.
>

Shame :(

>Not as good as we had in Hastings (but it's hard to get really fresh fish 
>here in the desert - not impossible, but it's very pricey), but still 
>very good.

Hastings :) 
A couple of years ago we used to go to Hastings and load up the car with fish to
put in the freezer. The Fish n Chips there are to die for. :)
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     Stephen

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:13:58 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the deep fat
>> fryer?
>
> From recent experience: If you slide a pizza out of the oven and the 
>cardboard you're using to carry it buckles, and the pizza starts to slide 
>off towards the floor, you *might* want to just write it off, rather than 
>catching it with bare hands.  Because it's gonna be cold before you finish 
>putting medicine on the burns anyway. :-)

LOL

Reminds me of the last time I dropped a pound coin. As I bent down to pick it
up, it hit me on the back of my head. :)

(I wonder if this reply will post? I tried to reply twice to Jims message above
but I could not see my post) 
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     Stephen

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:51:41 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2009 14:57:52 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>> Have you tried a graphics tablet?  The natural feeling of using a pen
>>> takes away a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.
>>
>>I haven't, but maybe I should. :-)  I'm no artist, but I have wanted to
>>try out a pressure-sensitive pad for various things as well.  Wacom is
>>supposed to make pretty good ones, wonder if there's someone locally who
>>has one I can try out....
>>
> I bought a Wacom on ebay cheaply to try it out. (There was a lot of
> discussion here at the time) I found that I liked using it so much I
> bought two cheep ones from Maplins (£17) to use at work and to carry
> around with my laptop.) I really only use them as a mouse substitute. I
> find that they reduce my RSI a lot especially if I swap between the
> tablet, mouse and touch pad.

Cool, I don't usually think of eBay for stuff like this, will have to 
have a look.

>>> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the
>>> deep fat fryer?
>>
>>Ugh, no - I do have my limits. ;-)
>>
> So do I :)

This is good to know.

>>> BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.
>>
>>That makes sense.  Actually sounds kinda like a calzone, but deep-fried.
>>
> Think deep fried soft bread Yeuch!

Well, I *was* hungry until I read that.  I think I'm going to go throw up 
now. ;-)

>>>>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
>>>>now. :-( )
>>> 
>>> Home fries?
>>
>>Yeah, they used to, but had a problem with their supplier.  The fish was
>>pretty good, but after their original place was torn down, they went
>>into too much debt in the new location.  A real shame, because the food
>>was very good.
>>
>>
> Shame :(

Yeah.  There's a local pub that does a good battered fish and chips, but 
it's one of many things they do.  I find that for *really* good ones, you 
gotta go somewhere that that's all they do.

We've decided to go to the pub tomorrow, though, and I think that's what 
I may have.  Thing is, they have other things that I like far better.

>>Not as good as we had in Hastings (but it's hard to get really fresh
>>fish here in the desert - not impossible, but it's very pricey), but
>>still very good.
> 
> Hastings :)
> A couple of years ago we used to go to Hastings and load up the car with
> fish to put in the freezer. The Fish n Chips there are to die for. :)

Yeah, I agree.  The shop we went to was right there on the sea (kinda 
hard not to be, at that).  It was really funny, three Americans walk in 
and the lad who took the order had to ask us to repeat ourselves because 
we were *too* softspoken.  Then he got curious about where we were from 
because he couldn't place the accent - this was near the end of 2 weeks 
in the UK, and my wife and I adapt our speaking to where we are - not a 
conscious thing, just the way we're both wired - so we were somewhere 
between Utah (where we live) Minnesota (where I grew up), Southern PA 
(where my wife grew up) and Bucks, with a little but of the local blended 
in because we'd been there a few days with friends.

He was *very* confused as a result.  It probably didn't help that we were 
dressed like locals as well, rather than as stereotypical American 
tourists in loud Hawaiian shirts and whatnot. ;-)

Jim

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On 14 Feb 2009 16:49:58 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>> I bought a Wacom on ebay cheaply to try it out. (There was a lot of
>> discussion here at the time) I found that I liked using it so much I

>> around with my laptop.) I really only use them as a mouse substitute. I
>> find that they reduce my RSI a lot especially if I swap between the
>> tablet, mouse and touch pad.
>
>Cool, I don't usually think of eBay for stuff like this, will have to 
>have a look.
>

Nor do I but my wife was buying a lot of HiFi accessories on ebay, at the time.

>
>Yeah.  There's a local pub that does a good battered fish and chips, but 
>it's one of many things they do.  I find that for *really* good ones, you 
>gotta go somewhere that that's all they do.
>
>We've decided to go to the pub tomorrow, though, and I think that's what 
>I may have.  Thing is, they have other things that I like far better.
>

Pub, fish and chips? Better than nothing, I suppose.

>
>Yeah, I agree.  The shop we went to was right there on the sea (kinda 
>hard not to be, at that).  It was really funny, three Americans walk in 
>and the lad who took the order had to ask us to repeat ourselves because 
>we were *too* softspoken.  Then he got curious about where we were from 
>because he couldn't place the accent - this was near the end of 2 weeks 
>in the UK, and my wife and I adapt our speaking to where we are - not a 
>conscious thing, just the way we're both wired - so we were somewhere 
>between Utah (where we live) Minnesota (where I grew up), Southern PA 
>(where my wife grew up) and Bucks, with a little but of the local blended 
>in because we'd been there a few days with friends.
>
>He was *very* confused as a result.  It probably didn't help that we were 
>dressed like locals as well, rather than as stereotypical American 
>tourists in loud Hawaiian shirts and whatnot. ;-)

Sometimes you need to live up to people's expectations and speak as if you are
off the telly, to be understood. :) 
Harking back to my time in Jamaica. I found it quite disconcerting speaking to
white Jamaicans (actually called island-born "Jamaican whites"). My ears were
saying that they were black but my eyes told a different story. 
A little rider to that for others reading it. It is not like saying someone
sounds "urban". In countries that the people are predominantly not white there
is a more matter of fact way of speaking about colour and race than in our first
world countries. I've been taken aback a few times.

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     Stephen

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