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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> Invisible wrote:
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>>> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and
>>> played it backwards and it still sounded the same.
>>
>> So does "Musical Offering". :-)
>
> You sure jest! :)
No. Some of the movements (or whatever they're called) are the same melody
played forward and backward at the same time. Some are the same played right
side up and upside down. (Crab Canon is like that, too.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_canon
With POV-Ray, even:
http://strangepaths.com/canon-1-a-2/2009/01/18/en/
(Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Musical_Offering )
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"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
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Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New escreveu:
>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and
>>>> played it backwards and it still sounded the same.
>>>
>>> So does "Musical Offering". :-)
>>
>> You sure jest! :)
>
> No. Some of the movements (or whatever they're called) are the same
> melody played forward and backward at the same time. Some are the same
> played right side up and upside down. (Crab Canon is like that, too.)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_canon
Yes, fugues and canons are recursive and self-referential musical pieces
based on variations over a single theme or 2 themes, the second itself
generally a variation of the first. Inversions are one such variation.
However, an inverted piece of melody doesn't mean the whole music will
sound the same if played backwards. That's why I thought you were jesting.
And I thought you were originally talking about Beethoven's 32 variations...
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nemesis wrote:
> However, an inverted piece of melody doesn't mean the whole music will
> sound the same if played backwards. That's why I thought you were jesting.
Not necessarily, but I've seen music Bach wrote that had exactly that
feature. It's probably mentioned in GEB somewhere.
> And I thought you were originally talking about Beethoven's 32
> variations...
I thought I was. Maybe I'm mistaken in exactly what's in there. I seem to be
confusing various Bach fugues and I'm unable to track down just which one I
was thinking of right now.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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On 22 Jan 2009 11:17:38 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible wrote:
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>> Stephen wrote:
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>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An
>>> die Freude).
>>
>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>>
>> 2. There are *words*??
>
><facepalm>
Indeed <facepalm>
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:02:07 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Well, yes, I think that's right. And given the record player, it
> probably wasn't the whole symphony. (I guess "Ode to Joy" is just the
> last movement, then, yes?)
Yes, only in the final movement.
Jim
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Stephen wrote:
> Dietrich Fisher-Dieskau ;)
>
Gorgeous! So beautiful!
Have you also seen Faust by Charles Gounod?
I've never went to the opera.
But I watched an old play of Faust.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:32:25 +0100, bluetree <sea### [at] yahoode> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> Dietrich Fisher-Dieskau ;)
>>
>
>Gorgeous! So beautiful!
>
Sad and beautiful is Mahler's Kindertotenlieder
Yes I listen to "lieder" as well. (English usage)
>Have you also seen Faust by Charles Gounod?
Yes, I've seen it a few times sung in English and in French. The English version
at the ENO was one of the best and most glamorous productions I've ever been to.
The French version at the ROH was very dark especially when Marguerite was
tormented by the witches (a ballet).
But Hey! The music is stirring.
I also love Berlioz's The Damnation of Faust.
>I've never went to the opera.
>But I watched an old play of Faust.
The only play about Faust that I have seen was by the 17th century English
playwright Christopher Marlowe, The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus. In fact
one of my most over used quotations is from it:
"Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God,
And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells
In being deprived of everlasting bliss?"
--
Regards
Stephen
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Darren New escreveu:
> That's why I rented it. The box said "like the Matrix!" and I figured
> that would mean it's awful enough to be worth renting, while it actually
> turned out to be one of my favorite movies.
It's like a cross between Matrix bullet-time kung-fu and 1984 opressive
future. All behind a blueish photography unlike Matrix's phosphor... :P
Perhaps you'd enjoy Ultraviolet as well...
BTW, that Batman guy is more expressionless than both Keany Reeves and
Schwarzzenegger... :P
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nemesis wrote:
> Perhaps you'd enjoy Ultraviolet as well...
Watched it. Silly.
> BTW, that Batman guy is more expressionless than both Keany Reeves and
> Schwarzzenegger... :P
He's drugged to his gills. He's *supposed* to be expressionless. That's why
it's a dystopia! Watch the second half of the movie.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:46:36 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> I also love Berlioz's The Damnation of Faust.
That's a good one. I also like the Symphonie Fantastique. There is a
certain irony in KBYU broadcasting that one, it's like they don't know
what the story behind the music is. (KBYU is the radio station run by
Brigham Young University, which is owned by the LDS Church - a very
conservative organization).
Jim
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