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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:55:32 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscape net> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:44 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>>
>>> Once u understand how short can sentences be just by adding "u" instead
>>> of "you" and other abbreviations u read faster and u write faster BUT
>>> NO, u can't simply make a small mental effort and take it as an internet
>>> slang and get use to it, if not imitate it... is all the same, our
>>> newsgroup, our way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye.
>>
>> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also other
>> people do not read your text faster.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7775013.stm
>> Hrd 2 rd
>"It's just another form of the Queen's English - not better, not worse,"
>
LOL now you sound only juvenile.
Do you know what the "queen's English" means, nowadays?
>Once u get use to it u read a lot faster, but here most ppl presume of
>making intellectual milestones writing or discovering intellectual
>interesting stuff and mostly as a show-off of their mental capacity but
>a small challenge and bam! oh is too hard... OK...
BTW "u" is Dutch and ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts List
amongst other things.
I will most humbly take my leave of you. You cannot, sir, take from me anything
that I will not more willingly part withal.
(Kings English)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:46:57 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom>
wrote:
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>I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
>replacements...
Not worh it IMO ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 14-Dec-08 16:46, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:44 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Once u understand how short can sentences be just by adding "u" instead
>>> of "you" and other abbreviations u read faster and u write faster BUT
>>> NO, u can't simply make a small mental effort and take it as an internet
>>> slang and get use to it, if not imitate it... is all the same, our
>>> newsgroup, our way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye.
>> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also
>> other people do not read your text faster.
>
> I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
> replacements...
>
Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust
by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read
faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small
mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if
not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour
way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?
I think Saul's original text was more readable.
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:04:21 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust
>by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read
>faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small
>mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if
>not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour
>way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?
I read it thus:
Once you get used to it you (can) read a lot faster, but here, most people
presume to make or write intellectual (of their) achievements. They do this
mostly to show off their mental capacity. But ask them (to do) a small challenge
and bam! (It) is too hard.
Now as someone who has battled with dyslexia I find it insulting to be spoken to
like that. Also on an international newsgroup it is only polite to write in a
way that you can be understood.
>I think Saul's original text was more readable.
I agree
--
Regards
Stephen
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andrel wrote:
> Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust
> by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read
> faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small
> mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if
> not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour
> way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?
> I think Saul's original text was more readable.
I actually used s/\<u\>/you/ in vim, so it matched word boundaries.
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On 14-Dec-08 18:27, Stephen wrote:
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> Now as someone who has battled with dyslexia I find it insulting to be spoken to
> like that. Also on an international newsgroup it is only polite to write in a
> way that you can be understood.
>
I can see your point, but the group is not only international, it is
also intercultural. You'd be amazed what is considered normal spelling
in some subcultures. Indeed we have had worse examples of 1337 here. If
I were you I would not bother too much. Kids will always want to show
that they are part of some interesting cultural development. I did it
when I was young, you probably did it too, though in our cases it was
not language that was the victim. It'll rub off when they get older
generally (or it becomes standard spelling).
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
> I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
> replacements...
>
U cnt do tht. U need 2 do s/\ u\ /\ you\ /g, since othr words can have u
in the mddle of thm.
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
> U cnt do tht. U need 2 do s/\ u\ /\ you\ /g, since othr words can have u
> in the mddle of thm.
I'll add a disclaimer here. I haven't read the whole thread, but I
personally didn't see Saul's text unreadable.
OTOH, I don't see how it could be faster readable, while the length of
the word practically effects only long and hard words - practically (at
least for me) it takes the same time to read u or you in the middle of
text - I just understand you faster. Today it's not a big issue (at
least for me), but I can imagine back when sending a kilobyte took over
3 seconds and storage really costed some money saving bits and bytes was
a bigger issue. Y2k -problem proved it (if it hadn't been a big issue,
there wouldn't have been such a problem).
-Aero
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OK, I'm answering everyone in this post:
I may sound juvenile because I wrote a lot in a juvenile game forum and
Stephen what I was quoting was from the article u offered a link to, so
I don't see why it sounded juvenile. I had no problem at all on that
forum trying to understand the posts since is only a simple case on word
abbreviations by replacing them for their phonetics proxys.
Also I can't believe somebody actually got insulted by this type of
abbreviations, I actually don't see the logic of the "insult". Was my
post saying: you are dumb because you who have fought dyslexia can't
read it? If so, I never even got close to mention dyslexia people, I
only meant that some people here do intellectual achievements by
publishing very mind challenging posts to show off themselves as a true
purpose so I found ridiculous that people here complained about a simple
mental replacement. Anyway, I don't meant that the people that
complaining about it is the same that made those show offs, I think was
a mistake on my part to assume that everyone here would be able to
understand me, since I assume smart people don't have a problem with
this kind Internet slang, let alone knowing some people here had a won
battle against dyslexia. I apology for the mistake.
Regards.
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Stephen wrote:
> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also other
> people do not read your text faster.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7775013.stm
> Hrd 2 rd
Yep. I generally read people who use those obnoxious 1-2 letter
abbreviations as being 12-14 .. Which is rather unsettling when it's
someone you know in real life, and they type like a scriddie ...
--
~Mike
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