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> The phrase "YouTube lameness" is very near being a redundancy.
That's like saying "Internet lameness" is near being a redundancy.
There is plenty of good content on there, you just need to filter out the
bad stuff.
Quite often with new software I YouTube for "<software> tutorial", or for
some specific feature I can't work out how to use, or some critical moment
of a sporting event that I would like to watch again, etc. I find it quite
useful.
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Warp wrote:
> I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.
Given the current state of the Chart Top 40, I can't say I blame you...
...oh, wait. You're from the country that gave us Lordi? That
*definitely* explains it! o_O
>> OTOH, DRM *also* annoys the hell out of me! >_<
>
> The reason why DRM is so annoying is that it doesn't affect the people
> who it should, ie. the pirates, but it *does* affect and hinder the honest
> people who buy honestly and pay what they are asked for the product.
As somebody once said, "trying to make data not copiably is like trying
to make water not wet".
Even on paper the concept is impossible.
The *only* way to prevent digital copying is to make all devices use a
single common DRM system, and to outlaw (and efficiently confiscate!)
all devices which can circumvent this DRM.
Even assuming you somehow manage to do this (how long have guns been
illegal in my country?), this does nothing to prevent copying of
analogue signals. And basically all of this stuff must eventually be
rendered in an analogue form in order to *use* it for its intended purpose.
The only way to totally prevent analogue copying is to prevent any
device that can copy analogue signals. So no recording devices, basically.
In fact, forget DRM. If you just outlaw any device capable of copying
audio/video signals, the audio/video DRM problem goes away. As does
YouTube. Because nobody will be able to make anything to put on it.
So getting rid of all recording devices is infiesible. The only other
approach is watermarking and requiring all devices to respect it.
Unfortunately, nobody has yet designed a watermark that can survive
extreme treatment. And it's probably impossible even in theory.
I find the whole idea pretty absurd.
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Dre <and### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> > I feel sad for you. Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way
> > around it...
> Likewise, without music I'd simply be a lost soul.
The *most* I can bear to listen to is one CD of music. Well before the end
I will be rather tired of it. Often I can't bear it to the end and I will
just stop it early, for the sweet silence. Thus I basically never listen to
music for more than a few minutes.
And this is only if I'm not concentrating on anything. If I'm concentrating
on something (eg. work or reading), the music is immensely distracting. It
makes it very hard to concentrate. I need silence, please.
> IOW, I love music, music *moves* you!
It may move me, but after it has played for an hour it starts becoming
really tiresome, if not even irritating.
I don't hate music. I like music. There's no musical genre which I would
detest. I just can't listen to it for long periods of time.
--
- Warp
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed
> around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people
> being able to copy the tape. But today there are *always* huge numbers of
> very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any new
> DRM system and share their findings online. Once one person has done that
> everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.
That's where internet censorship steps into play.
(Internet censorship is starting to slowly get widespread. It starts
"innocently" by banning child porn and perhaps racism. But you'll see that
soon it will be used to try to stop music piracy as well.)
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> And this is only if I'm not concentrating on anything. If I'm concentrating
> on something (eg. work or reading), the music is immensely distracting. It
> makes it very hard to concentrate. I need silence, please.
I *like* music and even I agree with this...
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>> I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed
>> around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people
>> being able to copy the tape. But today there are *always* huge numbers
>> of
>> very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any
>> new
>> DRM system and share their findings online. Once one person has done
>> that
>> everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.
>
> That's where internet censorship steps into play.
>
> (Internet censorship is starting to slowly get widespread. It starts
> "innocently" by banning child porn and perhaps racism. But you'll see that
> soon it will be used to try to stop music piracy as well.)
Well given that piracy is illegal, it seems a legitimate target for the
censors, but as with all these sort of schemes there will always be a way
around them and new ways of pirating software will pop up. Just look what
happened with Napster when it was shut down, up popped bitTorrent. If
suddenly they start censoring all sites that link to torrents, then I'm 100%
sure some new method will be invented that makes it impossible to censor
using the existing scheme. By the time a new scheme is dreamt up to fight
the pirates, another system will be in place, it's endless.
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> Well given that piracy is illegal, it seems a legitimate target for the
> censors, but as with all these sort of schemes there will always be a way
> around them and new ways of pirating software will pop up. Just look what
> happened with Napster when it was shut down, up popped bitTorrent. If
> suddenly they start censoring all sites that link to torrents, then I'm 100%
> sure some new method will be invented that makes it impossible to censor
> using the existing scheme. By the time a new scheme is dreamt up to fight
> the pirates, another system will be in place, it's endless.
And western countries will become no better than China in their
totalitarian censorship policies...
--
- Warp
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> ...
>
> Software pirate mentality is one of the worst things that really grinds
> my gears. People who pirate software and have this kind of attitude are
> the worst moral scum on earth.
>
> --
> - Warp
>
Prior to this bit of hyperbole, you made a number of good points that I
generally agree with, but "the worst moral scum on earth"? Really? Good golly
gee willikers, man! (Sorry for the strong language, but my gears get a tad
asynchronous at times as well.) Do you realize that there are villains out
urging others do the same. I do, however, have a point of view that differs
great majority of vendors would bring me down to their moral level, which is
more than sufficient impetus to prevent me from doing so. (Some indie folks and
the like are notable exceptions.) A large company that starts with an actual
product in order to initiate commercial intercourse (pun intended) and then
adds on every sort of deception, misdirection, hidden restriction and
misleading condition that they can possibly imagine to get as deeply into the
software pirates, but they are no less thieves in the moral sense.
I never have and, most likely, never will buy into the notion that having enough
forth by its corporate giants.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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Invisible wrote:
> As somebody once said, "trying to make data not copiably is like trying
> to make water not wet".
No, it's like making money that's impossible to counterfeit.
Yes, it's really trivial to do that. What's hard is making money that
only one organization (i.e., the central bank) can counterfeit.
Making data that you can't decrypt is easy these days. Making data that
you can only decrypt in certain ways for certain purposes is hard.
Of course, it's still copyable. But the point of DRM is to make copying
useless, not impossible.
> Even assuming you somehow manage to do this (how long have guns been
> illegal in my country?)
Guns are easy to make. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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scott wrote:
> Quite often with new software I YouTube for "<software> tutorial",
You Suck At Photoshop.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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