Warp wrote:
>   I thought far left is communism and far right is fascism/nazism.

Those can be hard to distinguish when it's government-enforced communism.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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andrel wrote:
> BTW IMHO it is slightly more subtle. It is not the case that politicians 
> and parties can be divided in left and right, but voters can be divided 
> in those that dislike lefties and those that hate right wing bastards.

I think that's the most wonderful summary of US politics I've seen in 
ages. :-)

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Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> BTW IMHO it is slightly more subtle. It is not the case that
>> politicians and parties can be divided in left and right, but voters
>> can be divided in those that dislike lefties and those that hate right
>> wing bastards.
> 
> I think that's the most wonderful summary of US politics I've seen in
> ages. :-)

	I dunno. That sounds like a liberal talking...<G>

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing. I just

	Don't bother. Just focus on values, promises, and output. Think of how
you think things should be, and if a politician thinks likewise, you may
want to support him (but do look at critiques of your POV). It then
shouldn't matter if you find out he's extreme right/left/both.

	Wow. That sounded like very generic meaningless advice.<G>

> tend to think that all politicians are inherantly power-hungry, lying,
> cheating, manipulative, evil scum. It's a very simple thing to remember.
> ;-)

	Used to be my way of thinking. Till I came across some who were the
exact opposite. Not surprisingly, they're often the most ignored by
everyone.

	Frankly (and I don't mean to criticize), your way of thinking is often
why most politicians are evil. Think about it...
	
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Darren New wrote:

> I think that's the most wonderful summary of US politics I've seen in 
> ages. :-)

I don't know about anywhere else, but in the UK "politics" seems to 
involve a bunch of grumpy old men sitting in a room jeering at each 
other, rather like a bunch of 12 year old schoolboys. As soon as anybody 
announces a policy, everybody else immediately says how wrong it is. 
(They never suggest anything better themselves, mind you - they just 
pick holes in everybody else's ideas.) Presumably which policy gets 
implemented varies according to which gang jeers the loudest?

I'm sorry - is this the 21st century??

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> He's not on in enough states to actually win, though.

	No, I think only 5 or 6 are: McCain, Obama, McKinney, Nader, and either
Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin or both.

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On 02-Nov-08 18:48, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>> I think that's the most wonderful summary of US politics I've seen in 
>> ages. :-)
> 
> I don't know about anywhere else, but in the UK "politics" seems to 
> involve a bunch of grumpy old men sitting in a room jeering at each 
> other, rather like a bunch of 12 year old schoolboys. 

I think the parliamentary democracy is though to have been born in the 
UK, perhaps it never grew up.

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:27:33 +0100, andrel wrote:

> That may or may not be more true than my rule of thumb, but it almost
> destroys
> democrat <-> people/voters
> republican <-> nation
> For me the main value is that I do not live in the US, so the party
> lines have not been part of my upbringing. The problem for me (and
> possibly Andy, although it could also be his habit of living under
> stones) is that in my country the two concepts are not mutual exclusive.
> Indeed our republicans are republicans *because* they are fundamentalist
> democrats. Still, when I want to guess which party in the US wants to
> reform the medical system and which one is most likely to start a war,
> it helps a lot.

An outside view does always bring a different perspective - and that's 
the thing I find interesting.  I'd never thought about it that way myself.

I think most people are more complex than either ideology lays out - for 
example, I consider myself a fiscal conservative but not a social 
conservative.

Jim

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:49:11 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> He's not on in enough states to actually win, though.
> 
> 	No, I think only 5 or 6 are: McCain, Obama, McKinney, Nader, and 
either
> Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin or both.

Yeah, I believe that is correct.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:46:17 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>>>> politics don't quite mix with geek humor... :P
>>> Oh, I don't know, I found the whole series to be very entertaining. :-)
>> Oh, it's *definitely* entertaining. I just have _no clue_ what the hell
>> they're on about... :-}
> 
> The politics of the 'net in the US was my read.  It helps to know that 
> Ron Paul was on the Republican ticket and is still running for president 
> but with a different party.
> 
> Jim

Had a long chat with the "supporters" of this guy on a science blog. In 
fact... They won't fracking shut up, even after pointing out to them 
that their "claims" that the government is supposed to only protect 
against things like fraud, theft, violence, etc., wouldn't have done 
anything to **stop** the current financial crisis, because nothing the 
companies that caused it did falls into **any** of those categories. In 
point of fact, what caused the problem was the government opting to 
believe the banks, when those entities told them, "We know the market, 
and know what we are doing", and opted to **not** regulate them, place 
any new limits on what they could do, or in any way restrain them from 
loaning out more money than they had, in absurd amounts, to people only 
an idiot would believe had the means to pay them back. Oddly, the only 
people that one could "claim" where committing, say fraud, for example, 
might be the people filling out the applications for credit, and most 
sane people would ask themselves, "Well, if the banks 'knew' it was 
fraud, why the hell did they accept the applications?!"

But, somehow, Ron Paul supporters, and other "Libertarians" still insist 
that the solution is smaller government, less regulation, privatization 
of *everything*, including, in the extreme cases of delusion for some of 
them, the military (apparently the Blackwater incident was something 
they missed completely), while the government, more or less, doesn't do 
anything at all.

At this point, the very idea that "any" of them will be elected scares 
the hell out of me. But, its just a choice between that, mild, empty 
stomach feeling you get when you think something is wrong, or a sweat 
soaked nightmare you get when you are sure you are about to be hurt 
**really** badly by an accelerating car, or a charging rabid animal.

Me, I opted to go for the only candidate with a chance of winning, who 
merely made me very uncomfortable. My parents.. have apparently both 
bought into the bullshit idiocy of the theocrats, who have spent the 
last 20+ years shoveling every sick idiot in the country onto the 
national news, whined about failing morality, and exaggerated every 
minor hiccup into a sign of the end of civilization, and are opting to 
vote for the ones who have made it their mission this election to kiss 
the asses of the same idiots that have been lying about these things for 
decades. I'd bang my head on my desk, but the bruise is already so large 
at this point that the next hit would probably do brain damage.

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   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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