Jim Henderson wrote:
> Yeah, I've read a few stories about the newest Ubuntu (8.10 IIRC)
> delivery that state that the benchmarks are slower than the previous
> version.

OTOH, I read about a developer who quit contributing to the Linux kernel
because he was tired about devs caring about companies saying
$BULLSHT_BENCHMARK now gives lower results, instead of caring about the
desktop becoming faster for users. (it was about lowering latency and
improving the process scheduler, which would give better speed to the
desktop)

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:35:04 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> JUst a thought, does the device have a SSD drive in it?  Or does it run
>> completely over the network?
> 
> Completely over network. It's a low-budget system, built from leftovers
> - AMD Athlon 1,2GHz, 768MiB, Matrox G400 16MiB, Intel EtherExpress
> Pro/100+, some random case, Gentoo Linux. The PSU still makes slight
> noise.

Cool, I've been thinking about putting a system like this together, this 
is a useful parts list. :-)  How's it work for you?

Jim

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:21:15 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just like
> sudo.

That wasn't my experience - or rather, once per program wasn't my 
experience.  This was pre-Vista SP1, though, so it's very possible the 
behaviour changed at that point.

Jim

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:33:39 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Yeah, I've read a few stories about the newest Ubuntu (8.10 IIRC)
>> delivery that state that the benchmarks are slower than the previous
>> version.
> 
> OTOH, I read about a developer who quit contributing to the Linux kernel
> because he was tired about devs caring about companies saying
> $BULLSHT_BENCHMARK now gives lower results, instead of caring about the
> desktop becoming faster for users. (it was about lowering latency and
> improving the process scheduler, which would give better speed to the
> desktop)

I hadn't read that one...

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:21:15 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
> > Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just like
> > sudo.
>
> That wasn't my experience - or rather, once per program wasn't my
> experience.  This was pre-Vista SP1, though, so it's very possible the
> behaviour changed at that point.

Nope.  Every damn time you open the same program...

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:53:50 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:21:15 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>> > Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just
>> > like sudo.
>>
>> That wasn't my experience - or rather, once per program wasn't my
>> experience.  This was pre-Vista SP1, though, so it's very possible the
>> behaviour changed at that point.
> 
> Nope.  Every damn time you open the same program...

Well, that's what I meant.  I had situations where it asked me two and 
three times about specific things the program wanted to do (like VNC).

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just

>> Nope.  Every damn time you open the same program...

That would be "once per process", where "process" is used in the 
technical sense there.

> Well, that's what I meant.  I had situations where it asked me two and 
> three times about specific things the program wanted to do (like VNC).

I'll be installing VNC, so I'll see. Of course, if you know it's going 
to do this, you can start it with rights in the first place, but that 
doesn't help the first times you run it. I'm still working on getting 
everything set up the way I want it, so I haven't gotten very far in the 
process of being annoyed by Vista yet ;-)

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:30 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just
> 
>>> Nope.  Every damn time you open the same program...
> 
> That would be "once per process", where "process" is used in the
> technical sense there.
> 
>> Well, that's what I meant.  I had situations where it asked me two and
>> three times about specific things the program wanted to do (like VNC).
> 
> I'll be installing VNC, so I'll see. Of course, if you know it's going
> to do this, you can start it with rights in the first place, but that
> doesn't help the first times you run it. I'm still working on getting
> everything set up the way I want it, so I haven't gotten very far in the
> process of being annoyed by Vista yet ;-)

I probably mentioned it before, but my annoyance at Vista was pretty 
extreme - was pulling video off my DVR via firewire, and silly me, I 
thought I could run it headless.  Disabled the firewall, UAC, installed 
TightVNC and set it up to autostart, set up autologin, background to 
solid black...everything was perfect.

Rebooted the system and it started as expected.

Shut down, took the system to the room with the TV and plugged it in.  
Powered it up.

Couldn't connect to it remotely via VNC.

Eventually went and got a keyboard and monitor and plugged in - Vista had 
reverted *every* *damned* *change* *I* *made*.  I'm surprised it didn't 
uninstall TightVNC.  But sure enough, UAC enabled, autologin turned off, 
background restored, firewall reenabled - all of it.

That's the last time I ran it.  Well, no, tell a lie, I installed the 64-
bit version in a VM so I could extract the wireless drivers for the 
wireless NIC in the machine using ndiswrapper - HP very *helpfully* 
requires that you use the actual OS the drivers are written for in order 
to extract them.  I wasn't real happy about that either.

Jim

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Darren New escreveu:
>> What really annoys me the most is that I'm quite sure I turned the 
>> damned UAC feature off...
> 
> I believe you. I don't have a whole lot of experience with it yet. I 
> just have to say it hasn't annoyed *me* yet, except for the broken 
> software crap that came with the computer.

Hmm, odd.  I'm seeing html sources on IE7 with notepad just now without 
problems or questions.  I took a look at my UAC, and it was ON!  It's 
more schizophrenic than I thought!  It's now faking to be a fine OS... :P

Ok, once I installed Firefox, I haven't used IE in a while.  I only 
really used it in the first few days post migration.  Perhaps SP1 did 
improve things a bit, I guess...

Our memory can betray us sometimes.  :P

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Eventually went and got a keyboard and monitor and plugged in - Vista had 
> reverted *every* *damned* *change* *I* *made*.

Weird. I've occasionally had it happen where it "couldn't load my 
profile" when I remote loggined, leaving me with everything as if I was 
logging in for the first time. But logging out and logging back in 
always fixed that. I figured a temporary timing failure somewhere.

> HP very *helpfully* requires that you use the actual OS the drivers are written for
in order 
> to extract them. 

The abusiveness of HP's "rescue disks" are one of the many reasons I no 
longer will buy any HP machine. :-)

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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