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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:05:07 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
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>Anybody have any bright ideas about how I get my hands on a real pipe
>organ to try this stuff out?
Join a church. A neighbour of mine used to play in the Sunday service just to
keep his hand in. He was not religious at all but it gave him the opportunity to
practice whilst still remaining a good neighbour ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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> (Regardless of how many octaves my keyboard has, the computer only has
> samples for 5 octaves. It seems silly to speak of "only" 5 octaves, but
> this *is* organ music...)
Write some code to generate the organ sounds algorithmically ;-)
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scott wrote:
>> (Regardless of how many octaves my keyboard has, the computer only has
>> samples for 5 octaves. It seems silly to speak of "only" 5 octaves,
>> but this *is* organ music...)
>
> Write some code to generate the organ sounds algorithmically ;-)
Bah, my synthesizer already *does* that! ;-) It just doesn't sound as good.
Mind you, it's only subtractive synthesis. Reaktor's Steam Pipe engine
could probably get closer. But ya know, every single note of a real
organ is very slightly different. It would be kinda hard to simulate
that with a computer. Worth a try though, just for a giggle...
It *might* be easier to just tell Kontakt to change the sample playback
speed a little. :-P
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>> Anybody have any bright ideas about how I get my hands on a real pipe
>> organ to try this stuff out?
>
> Join a church.
Brrrrrhhh!! A whole room full of people telling me I'm a sinner and that
I deserve to be miserable and I'm going to hell? No thanks!
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48d751b4$1@news.povray.org...
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> Wise words from Master Coda. (Get it??)
May the Fourth be with you ;-)
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> Mind you, I'm recording a MIDI file. It would be fairly trivial to go back
> and edit it to make it sound perfect. But all that really does is
> demonstrate that *the machine* can play it OK, which we already know! ;-)
As this one?
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=NGKRu-3zvEU
Better by Marie-Claire Alain though :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvPgKecORl8
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> The music you heard is already using both of my hands! (Remember, I don't
> have a set of pedals to use.) I could try using my computer to composite
> the parts together, but I rather suspect I'm going to run out of octaves.
There are separate MIDI foot keyboards but usually only one octave range.
>
> (Regardless of how many octaves my keyboard has, the computer only has
> samples for 5 octaves. It seems silly to speak of "only" 5 octaves, but
> this *is* organ music...)
Don't you have 32 feet stop samples?
>
> Anybody have any bright ideas about how I get my hands on a real pipe
> organ to try this stuff out?
Make friend with the closest church organist or check if there are organ
classes in your area maybe
Marc
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>> Wise words from Master Coda. (Get it??)
> May the Fourth be with you ;-)
Hahaha! Oh GOD! :-S
And yet, somehow I feel compelled to augment this line further...
>> Mind you, I'm recording a MIDI file. It would be fairly trivial to go back
>> and edit it to make it sound perfect. But all that really does is
>> demonstrate that *the machine* can play it OK, which we already know! ;-)
> As this one?
> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=NGKRu-3zvEU
>
> Better by Marie-Claire Alain though :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvPgKecORl8
I'm at work; I don't have any sound. (And playing video cripples my PC.)
>> The music you heard is already using both of my hands! (Remember, I don't
>> have a set of pedals to use.) I could try using my computer to composite
>> the parts together, but I rather suspect I'm going to run out of octaves.
>
> There are separate MIDI foot keyboards but usually only one octave range.
I don't have the floor space anyway...
>> (Regardless of how many octaves my keyboard has, the computer only has
>> samples for 5 octaves. It seems silly to speak of "only" 5 octaves, but
>> this *is* organ music...)
>
> Don't you have 32 feet stop samples?
Weirdly no. The range of notes covered just happens to exactly match the
keys on my particular keyboard. You would have thought, given that it's
an organ, there'd be a wider range. Go figure!
>> Anybody have any bright ideas about how I get my hands on a real pipe
>> organ to try this stuff out?
>
> Make friend with the closest church organist or check if there are organ
> classes in your area maybe.
Yeah, I guess so...
Heh, if I'm nervous sitting in my locked bedroom with headphones on,
just imagine playing an instrument that people in the next village can
hear! ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Oh...kay then, that's pretty random!
Nah. Just a muss-up of the file extension mappings.
> It's strange - I can sit down and play the music endlessly for 2 days
> straight, but as soon as I hit the record button, I start making
> mistakes all over the place. :-S Most irritating!
It's called "choke". How many times do you think professional basketball
players miss foul shots in practice? :-)
> Everybody was astonished when I continued playing without so
> much as missing a beat.
Yeah. I amazed friends by programming on a VDT in a dark room, knowing
where all the keys were. Um, guys? Don't you program for a living, and
you can't touch-type? :-)
> However... this only works if one note is near another. My hands "know"
> how wide the keys are. But if I need to move my whole hand to a
> different part of the keyboard, I still need to be able to see where I'm
> going. If that makes sense...
Yes, it certainly does. I've heard interviews with professional pianists
who say they can just put their hands in front of them and hear the
notes their fingers are touching.
>> But for someone who doesn't practice at least 3 hours a day for
>> several years, it's pretty impressive what you've got there with that
>> little bit of work.
>
> Thanks! I spent literally *days* decoding the score and rehersing the
> playing. ;-)
Yep. That's not a lot of time for something like that, tho. That's my
point. Even in high-school band, memorizing the music for the year was
probably two weeks to a month of an hour every day before school. Doing
that in just days is pretty impressive, especially given that it's a
piano (with concurrent notes) and not a trumpet or something.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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>> It's strange - I can sit down and play the music endlessly for 2 days
>> straight, but as soon as I hit the record button, I start making
>> mistakes all over the place. :-S Most irritating!
>
> It's called "choke". How many times do you think professional basketball
> players miss foul shots in practice? :-)
Uh... I have no idea, but "sure".
>> However... this only works if one note is near another. My hands
>> "know" how wide the keys are. But if I need to move my whole hand to a
>> different part of the keyboard, I still need to be able to see where
>> I'm going. If that makes sense...
>
> Yes, it certainly does. I've heard interviews with professional pianists
> who say they can just put their hands in front of them and hear the
> notes their fingers are touching.
As an aside... before I got my shiny new soundcard, there used to be an
80 ms delay between pressing a key and hearing some sound.
Do you have ANY IDEA how off-putting that is??!?
It made it virtually impossible to play anything faster than a
slow-dance without totally screwing up. Seriously, you wouldn't believe
what a huge problem such a tiny little split-second delay is!
>> Thanks! I spent literally *days* decoding the score and rehersing the
>> playing. ;-)
>
> Yep. That's not a lot of time for something like that, tho. That's my
> point. Even in high-school band, memorizing the music for the year was
> probably two weeks to a month of an hour every day before school. Doing
> that in just days is pretty impressive, especially given that it's a
> piano (with concurrent notes) and not a trumpet or something.
In fairness, I learned the first two pages a couple of weeks back. It's
only the second half of the passage I played which is new to me. I
learned that this weekend. It was hard work! o_O
As somebody who used to play the violin, let me tell you: a violin
[usually] only plays one note at a time, but you still need two hands to
do the correct thing [in a *coordinated* mannar] to produce that note,
so it's still just as hard.
Indeed, you don't even need complex chords. I have a lot of trouble
trying to play "Dance of the Snowmen" from The Snowman, and that doesn't
have any chords at all. Even playing with one hand, it's hard just to
hit the notes fast enough and not miss the keys and remember which note
comes next fast enough to play the thing. There aren't even any key
changes and it's hard! ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
>>> It's strange - I can sit down and play the music endlessly for 2 days
>>> straight, but as soon as I hit the record button, I start making
>>> mistakes all over the place. :-S Most irritating!
>>
>> It's called "choke". How many times do you think professional
>> basketball players miss foul shots in practice? :-)
>
> Uh... I have no idea, but "sure".
Almost never, is the point. :-)
> Do you have ANY IDEA how off-putting that is??!?
Definitely. I understand that's part of what causes stuttering when
speaking: that there's something delaying the processing of your own
speech, and every time you start to talk, it feels like someone is
interrupting you.
> It was hard work! o_O
Feels good, tho, doesn't it? :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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>>> It's called "choke". How many times do you think professional
>>> basketball players miss foul shots in practice? :-)
>>
>> Uh... I have no idea, but "sure".
>
> Almost never, is the point. :-)
I have no idea what a "foul shot" is, but I'll take your word for it...
>> Do you have ANY IDEA how off-putting that is??!?
>
> Definitely. I understand that's part of what causes stuttering when
> speaking: that there's something delaying the processing of your own
> speech, and every time you start to talk, it feels like someone is
> interrupting you.
My problem is changing my mind about which word I'm going to say, half
way through saying it.
And just the fact that I talk at a rate of about 6 words per hour anyway
and sound completely retarded...
>> It was hard work! o_O
>
> Feels good, tho, doesn't it? :-)
To quote Team America, "**** yeah!"
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