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>> Ooo, Independence Day. This can mean only one thing...
>>
>> ...it's Jamie's birthday tomorrow! :-D
>
> Which Jamie?
The one I ordered a birthday card from Zazzle for but which hasn't
turned up yet... :-S
Seriously, Zazzle boasts that you can have your order within 24 hours,
but that's only actually true if you line in North America. For the rest
of the world... it takes rather a long time. :-( I wish they would set
up a facility somewhere in mainland Europe...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:51:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Ooo, Independence Day. This can mean only one thing...
>>>
>>> ...it's Jamie's birthday tomorrow! :-D
>>
>> Which Jamie?
>
> The one I ordered a birthday card from Zazzle for but which hasn't
> turned up yet... :-S
Ah, I see. There are so many Jamies' in the world. But hey, it sounds
like you've got at least *one* friend. Actually, though, I know you have
more than that. ;-)
> Seriously, Zazzle boasts that you can have your order within 24 hours,
> but that's only actually true if you line in North America. For the rest
> of the world... it takes rather a long time. :-( I wish they would set
> up a facility somewhere in mainland Europe...
Seems a lot of companies operate that way. We have a similar experience
when ordering DVDs from amazon.co.uk as well.
Jim
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:29:33 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:51:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>>>> Ooo, Independence Day. This can mean only one thing...
>>>>
>>>> ...it's Jamie's birthday tomorrow! :-D
>>>
>>> Which Jamie?
>>
>> The one I ordered a birthday card from Zazzle for but which hasn't
>> turned up yet... :-S
>
> Ah, I see. There are so many Jamies' in the world. But hey, it sounds
> like you've got at least *one* friend. Actually, though, I know you
> have more than that. ;-)
>
>> Seriously, Zazzle boasts that you can have your order within 24 hours,
>> but that's only actually true if you line in North America. For the
>> rest of the world... it takes rather a long time. :-( I wish they would
>> set up a facility somewhere in mainland Europe...
>
> Seems a lot of companies operate that way. We have a similar experience
> when ordering DVDs from amazon.co.uk as well.
And not just DVDs (hit send too soon). Just got a copy of the Uxbridge
English Dictionary, and it (actually surprisingly because we ordered from
a US site) also was sent via Royal Mail from the UK.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Ah, I see. There are so many Jamies' in the world.
And I kinda promised that if I ever have children... well, there'll be
*another* Jamie in the world. ;-)
> But hey, it sounds
> like you've got at least *one* friend. Actually, though, I know you have
> more than that. ;-)
Meh. There are people I sometimes speak to on teh interwebs. But human
beings that I can actually go hang out with? Now that's a tiny list. :-(
>> Seriously, Zazzle boasts that you can have your order within 24 hours,
>> but that's only actually true if you line in North America. For the rest
>> of the world... it takes rather a long time. :-( I wish they would set
>> up a facility somewhere in mainland Europe...
>
> Seems a lot of companies operate that way. We have a similar experience
> when ordering DVDs from amazon.co.uk as well.
Really? I usually find Amazon to be quite good...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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And lo on Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:01:07 +0100, Jim Henderson
<nos### [at] nospam com> did spake, saying:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:27:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>>>> No problem. There's no charge for this service. Please contact Phil
>>>> Cook in my absence. ;-)
But I charge by the word.
>>> And another laugh. I might actually get some sleep yet tonight. :-)
>>
>> Yeah - dude, what the hell?? WHY ARE YOU AWAKE?! x_x
>
> Right now because I'm talking to you. 5 AM now.
>
> Today's the 4th of July here, so I don't have to work today.
Too many giant spaceships hovering over the cities causing congestion?
Pfft uppity colonials, you don't see us celebrating Consitutional Monarchy
Day.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>>>>> No problem. There's no charge for this service. Please contact Phil
>>>>> Cook in my absence. ;-)
>
> But I charge by the word.
He does, you know...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible wrote:
> As does the fact that SSL and TLS both run over TCP, yet OpenVPN seems
> to be using UPD. That looks like a big enough deviation from the
> standard that I'm left wondering how many design decisions have been
> made with potential security implications.
Yes, exactly. That, and all the other things you might want to do (like
be behind a NAT) that OpenVPN doesn't handle.
Note that SSL and TLS are both technologically the same thing. The
difference is in provisioning. That is, it's SSL if you start the
protocol dance as soon as you open the port (because you're talking on
port 443 instead of port 80, for example). It's TLS if you open the
connection, do some negotiation, *then* start encrypting, such as with
BEEP or Secure SMTP or anything else that has a "STARTTLS" command.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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>> As does the fact that SSL and TLS both run over TCP, yet OpenVPN seems
>> to be using UPD. That looks like a big enough deviation from the
>> standard that I'm left wondering how many design decisions have been
>> made with potential security implications.
>
> Yes, exactly. That, and all the other things you might want to do (like
> be behind a NAT) that OpenVPN doesn't handle.
I thought I saw somewhere that OpenVPN *does* work with NAT, but IPSec
doesn't. (Because NAT involves packet modification, which IPSec is
obviously designed to prevent.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I thought I saw somewhere that OpenVPN *does* work with NAT, but IPSec
> doesn't. (Because NAT involves packet modification, which IPSec is
> obviously designed to prevent.)
No, what they said was that if you want IPSec to work with NAT, you had
to exclude the IP addresses from the hash calculation with a
configuration. Since OpenVPN never even offers the opportunity to
include the IP addresses, it's "simpler" and therefore more secure.
Huh?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:17:37 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>Pfft uppity colonials, you don't see us celebrating Consitutional Monarchy
>Day.
A bit late but I always celebrate "Good Riddance Day" ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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