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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:13:35
Message: <v00f54pt8v1oq9412nfphtlvf15i3uorhb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:52:55 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Sabrina Kilian wrote:
>
>> Step your aperture a bit to cut the background light, and use a flash.
>
>1. What's an aperture? [No GLaDDOS jokes please.]

The aperture on a camera is a hole or an opening through which light
is admitted. Besides letting in more or less light it controls the
depth of field. A small aperture gives a greater depth of field. It is
also referred to as the f number or stops. I assume that Sabrina meant
for you to decrease the aperture to cut down the total light entering
the camera and use the flash as a fill in light. You would need to use
your camera in manual mode as in automatic it would increase the
exposure time to compensate.

>2. Will a flash make any difference in an outdoor scene shot from a 
>distance of 25 feet?

One can only suck it and see. 
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     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:19:07
Message: <4857818b@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> Look at those shiny shiny trousers, the second photo is much better 
> though you need an iron on that shirt; hmm the rolled-up sleeve thing is 
> definitely you.

Now you understand what I mean by "paying money for clothes that look 
wrecked already"? The shirt was wrinkled up like that in the shop. 
Apparently it's meant to look like that. Similarly, the jeans were 
half-faded to hell already. As for the sleeves, they're actually 
buttoned up like that. I have no idea why...

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:19:16
Message: <48578194$1@news.povray.org>
> The aperture on a camera is a hole or an opening through which light
> is admitted. Besides letting in more or less light it controls the
> depth of field. A small aperture gives a greater depth of field. It is
> also referred to as the f number or stops. I assume that Sabrina meant
> for you to decrease the aperture to cut down the total light entering

I'd say open up the aperture actually, to blur the background and make 
Andrew stand out more.  Increase the shutter speed to compensate for the 
increased aperture, then increase it further until the background is a bit 
darker.  Then use some flash to make Andrew appear at a satisfactory 
brightness.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:24:32
Message: <485782d0$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Step your aperture a bit to cut the background light, and use a flash.
>> 1. What's an aperture? [No GLaDDOS jokes please.]
> 
> The aperture on a camera is a hole or an opening through which light
> is admitted. Besides letting in more or less light it controls the
> depth of field. A small aperture gives a greater depth of field. It is
> also referred to as the f number or stops. I assume that Sabrina meant
> for you to decrease the aperture to cut down the total light entering
> the camera and use the flash as a fill in light. You would need to use
> your camera in manual mode as in automatic it would increase the
> exposure time to compensate.

Right. So sharp images require bright illumination and/or a long shutter 
time?

Did I mention that my camera really struggles to produce a visible image 
except in the most blindingly brilliant sunshine? Seriously, you can use 
it as a webcam, but unless you're standing with a laptop next to 
Stonehenge at noon on the Summer Solstice, the image just comes out dark 
brown. My camera just seems to have a superlatively insensitive light 
detector...

>> 2. Will a flash make any difference in an outdoor scene shot from a 
>> distance of 25 feet?
> 
> One can only suck it and see. 

Hey, I'm just glad I got the whole of me in shot that time.

In order to take these pictures, I had to find an object of 
approximately the correct height, balance the camera on it, align the 
camera to where I think I'm going to stand, set it to timer mode, press 
the button, walk over to the spot I think it's aimed at, strike a pose, 
wait for the camera to shoot, walk back to the camera and check the shot.

Needless to say, I got bored of this very quickly. The 2nd shot is the 
best image I managed to get all day. :-/ And even then I had to crop it 
to get the right parts into shot. (It would have helped if the camera 
was at head height rather than knee height!)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:25:04
Message: <485782f0@news.povray.org>
> Stephen wrote:
> 
>> They don't do you justice.
> 
> How do you know? For all y - oh, it's you. ;-)

Fancy a drink on Saturday?

I might wear the outfit. ;-)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:28:56
Message: <5u0f54patu12h6nffe0dllitaj35sl3nid@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:19:15 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

>> The aperture on a camera is a hole or an opening through which light
>> is admitted. Besides letting in more or less light it controls the
>> depth of field. A small aperture gives a greater depth of field. It is
>> also referred to as the f number or stops. I assume that Sabrina meant
>> for you to decrease the aperture to cut down the total light entering
>
>I'd say open up the aperture actually, to blur the background and make 
>Andrew stand out more.  Increase the shutter speed to compensate for the 
>increased aperture, then increase it further until the background is a bit 
>darker.  Then use some flash to make Andrew appear at a satisfactory 
>brightness.
> 
Probably better, I wish Sabrina had said step up or down. There are a
few ways of doing what's wanted but the best is to bracket the normal
exposure IMHO.
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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:35:23
Message: <m31f54tkbgs0k6kjacrmj5attf6r25f45j@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:24:28 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Right. So sharp images require bright illumination and/or a long shutter 
>time?

Yes and no :)
Long shutter times can induce blur from hand shake or other movements.
It is a balance getting the correct exposure.


>Did I mention that my camera really struggles to produce a visible image 
>except in the most blindingly brilliant sunshine? Seriously, you can use 
>it as a webcam, but unless you're standing with a laptop next to 
>Stonehenge at noon on the Summer Solstice, the image just comes out dark 
>brown. My camera just seems to have a superlatively insensitive light 
>detector...
Hmm! A digital camera then. Have you checked the mode you are using it
in and/or the settings? From what you say it sounds duff or the ASA
(film sensitivity in non-digital cameras) setting is wrong but the
photos look OK. 
In the first one were you just pleased to see me? :)
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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:45:05
Message: <do1f549jfu4b42vbfofonguk71t51srlff@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:25:00 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>> Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> They don't do you justice.
>> 
>> How do you know? For all y - oh, it's you. ;-)
>
>Fancy a drink on Saturday?

I'll have to check the day, I'll come back

>I might wear the outfit. ;-)

I'm not a fashion Queen 


[Quote from "Gone with the wind"]
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:51:01
Message: <48578905$1@news.povray.org>
>> Fancy a drink on Saturday?
> 
> I'll have to check the day, I'll come back

OK. I'm not 100% sure what I'm doing either, but I think I'll be free...

>> I might wear the outfit. ;-)
> 
> I'm not a fashion Queen 

> 
> [Quote from "Gone with the wind"]

[Apparently it was meant to be "I don't really care"...]

Actually, my line almost looks like I'm flirting. o_O

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Bad photography
Date: 17 Jun 2008 06:13:20
Message: <op.ucv1cixoc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:19:04 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Look at those shiny shiny trousers, the second photo is much better  
>> though you need an iron on that shirt; hmm the rolled-up sleeve thing  
>> is definitely you.
>
> Now you understand what I mean by "paying money for clothes that look  
> wrecked already"? The shirt was wrinkled up like that in the shop.  
> Apparently it's meant to look like that.

Pfft that's just so they can sell it, just iron the damn thing :-P

> Similarly, the jeans were half-faded to hell already. As for the  
> sleeves, they're actually buttoned up like that. I have no idea why...

Oookay.


Ah joy I've just upgraded to Opera 9.5 which feels like upgrading XP to  
Vista; it didn't import passwords, mail, or the spell checker and now I've  
got some of it working it's not marking incoming replies to my own posts -  
how fun.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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