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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 20 Mar 2008 11:21:57
Message: <47e28f25$1@news.povray.org>
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Darren New wrote:
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> When did the ones that recorded on 3.5" floppies come out, I wonder?
>
Was there any other than various models of Sony Mavica (which was
released 1997 IIRC)?
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 20 Mar 2008 11:55:59
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> When did the ones that recorded on 3.5" floppies come out, I wonder?
>
Ooh I remember those. I just didn't remember where it went... I asked my
dad and apparently it rolled down some stairs. *ouch*
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 21 Mar 2008 11:35:32
Message: <47e3e3d4$1@news.povray.org>
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scott wrote:
> It's probably not turbo lag, more the fact that the turbo doesn't work
> properly until around 2200 rpm and the throttle is very heavily damped
> by the ECU.
I've driven several cars where stomping the gas pedal just makes them
downshift two or three times until they decide they're in the right
gear. That little 2-second delay can be rather annoying.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 21 Mar 2008 11:46:32
Message: <47e3e668$1@news.povray.org>
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Darren New wrote:
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> I've driven several cars where stomping the gas pedal just makes them
> downshift two or three times until they decide they're in the right
> gear. That little 2-second delay can be rather annoying.
>
I'd think most of the cars at Europe are manuals. If that Astra is,
there is no kickdown ;).
And yes, randomizing gears seems to be problem only for "intelligent"
automatic gearboxes that they produce atm. All old mechanical automatic
gearboxes I've driven have been completely logical.
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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 25 Mar 2008 03:14:53
Message: <47e8b47d$1@news.povray.org>
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Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:43:39 +0200 schrieb Eero Ahonen:
> scott wrote:
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>> I have a 1.9 Astra at the moment and I hate it (I didn't have any
>> choice in the matter). A) the turbo-lag is so bad that it's dangerous
>> sometimes, you put your foot down and nothing happens for at least 1
>> second, *then* it goes.
>
> Astra 1.9 DTi (the now-selling common rail engine) and a over second
> long turbo-lag? Sounds like something's seriously wrong - Saab 9-3SC
> with the same engine has one of the unnoticeable turbolags I've ever
> driven.
>
When I've bought my current car (Ford Focus II 1.6 TDCI) I've test-driven
an Astra 1.9 CDTI (or what permutation they use) first. It *was* horrible.
After test-driving the Ford, the decision was done and I'm happy about
it. Except that the generator failed about 6 months after the
manufacturer's warranty expired (and 2 months after the dealer's).
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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 25 Mar 2008 12:47:43
Message: <47e93abf$1@news.povray.org>
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Michael Zier wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:43:39 +0200 schrieb Eero Ahonen:
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> When I've bought my current car (Ford Focus II 1.6 TDCI) I've test-driven
> an Astra 1.9 CDTI (or what permutation they use) first. It *was* horrible.
> After test-driving the Ford, the decision was done and I'm happy about
> it. Except that the generator failed about 6 months after the
> manufacturer's warranty expired (and 2 months after the dealer's).
After 2003 olst, meaning the common-rail diesel? If so, maybe they have
seriously messed it up at Opel.
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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 26 Mar 2008 02:13:59
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Am Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:49:04 +0200 schrieb Eero Ahonen:
> Michael Zier wrote:
>> Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:43:39 +0200 schrieb Eero Ahonen:
> After 2003 olst, meaning the common-rail diesel? If so, maybe they have
> seriously messed it up at Opel.
Yes, it was the common-rail. Didn't like it at all.
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And lo on Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:50:58 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> Personally, I'm still annoyed that I can't link to my Zazzle gallery
>>> from my blog. (Or rather, I can, but WordPress strips the star off the
>>> end of the URL...)
>> In the "is it turned on, is it plugged in" category, did you %-escape
>> the star?
>
> Yes. This causes WordPress to leave it in, but confuses Zazzle.
Hmm just tried to add the flash panel to my sidebar, scaled it down to
210x140 to fit. Hmmm so you can't remove the title bars to enlarge the
viewing section, it's also constantly loading from zazzle and slowing
everything down. At least you can advance through the images by clicking
on the next/previous one, unless you zoom in at which point you have to
zoom out again (rather then click on the still visible next/previous
image), but click on the zoomed in image (or not) and it'll both open a
new page and display a copy/paste url overlay which you need to close,then
click on zoom out to restart the slideshow. Wow that's crap, don't they
offer a basic RSS feed with the last 20 images or so?
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Phil Cook
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>> It's probably not turbo lag, more the fact that the turbo doesn't work
>> properly until around 2200 rpm and the throttle is very heavily damped by
>> the ECU.
>
> Still I'd say there's something wrong.
Well I don't know, I've only got it for another 6 weeks then it's getting
replaced. It's only done 60000km and has been serviced properly at the
right times by the official Opel dealer, so I think it's probably a
"feature" of the car ;-)
I get the feeling the car is designed to be comfortable to drive, not to be
very responsive. Even if you sit at 2500rpm in 2nd gear, if you jump on the
accelerator pedal you don't get any jolt of acceleration because the ECU
smoothes out the throttle input, I'd say with a time constant of about 0.5
seconds. In some cars you can push the accelerator pedal up and down
quickly and the car responds instantly with forward and back jolts, but not
this car.
> Turbocharger actually removes some torque from the really-low revs ('bout
> <1500rpm), after that it starts to wake up and gets torque much higher
> than with naturally aspirated engine.
Makes sense.
> After driving 6 years with turbocharged cars, I wouldn't even think about
> naturally aspirated one :p - once I got used to the sub-rev torqueloss,
> I've just let myself enjoy the long and stable torque (expect for the
> Audi, which has only a short spike of torque, but it's cheap to drive,
> so...).
Give me a turbocharged petrol car and now we're talking :-) I think the
basic problem is that a turbo makes the engine only usable above certain
rpms, and diesel makes the engine only usable below certain rpms. So the
combination of turbo diesel is a bit of a disaster compared to normally
aspirated petrol.
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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: You know you've been tracing too long when...
Date: 26 Mar 2008 13:07:19
Message: <47ea90d7@news.povray.org>
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scott wrote:
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> Well I don't know, I've only got it for another 6 weeks then it's
> getting replaced. It's only done 60000km and has been serviced properly
> at the right times by the official Opel dealer, so I think it's probably
> a "feature" of the car ;-)
That's what Michael said also, so I'd guess it's just nasty programming :(.
> I get the feeling the car is designed to be comfortable to drive, not to
> be very responsive. Even if you sit at 2500rpm in 2nd gear, if you jump
> on the accelerator pedal you don't get any jolt of acceleration because
> the ECU smoothes out the throttle input, I'd say with a time constant of
> about 0.5 seconds. In some cars you can push the accelerator pedal up
> and down quickly and the car responds instantly with forward and back
> jolts, but not this car.
That sounds reasonable. Such soft response is actually much nicer to
drive and still a car can perform pretty good accelerations and it's
easier to handle.
>
> Give me a turbocharged petrol car and now we're talking :-)
Give me 2300 euros and feel welcome to drive one of them away ;). Saab
900 CD* Turbo Automatic '84, containing cruise control, air
conditioning, electric goodies etc.
*) CD is a long version, only 590 pcs ever produced.
> I think the
> basic problem is that a turbo makes the engine only usable above certain
> rpms,
Basically yes, but with proper tuning those revs can be somewhere around
1200-1300rpm. And even if those revs are higher, if the engine itself is
powerful enough it doesn't matter. Eg. old Volvo 700-series with a
good-conditioned D24T (2,4 liter 6-cyl turbodiesel) pulls from 500rpm,
while the turbo (Garrett T03) wakes up around 2krpm.
> and diesel makes the engine only usable below certain rpms. So
> the combination of turbo diesel is a bit of a disaster compared to
> normally aspirated petrol.
No, it's not diesel that makes the max.rpm be low, it's today's emission
controls combined with engine management systems. Again the D24T, when
it's in good condition, pulls up to 5500rpm (and sounds nice, think
about 6-cylinder diesel with those revs :p).
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