On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:59:50 -0500, Warp wrote:

>   Personally I don't see why anyone would want to "upgrade" right now.

People are sheep.

Jim

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:59:50 -0500, Warp wrote:
>
>>   Personally I don't see why anyone would want to "upgrade" right now.
>
> People are sheep.

 "Baaaa"  :)

   I've read a lot about Vista - I don't want it. XP is good. Nearly two 
years now, and no BlueScreens... :)


    ~Steve~



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> Jim

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:52 +0000, St. wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:59:50 -0500, Warp wrote:
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>>>   Personally I don't see why anyone would want to "upgrade" right now.
>>
>> People are sheep.
> 
>  "Baaaa"  :)
> 
>    I've read a lot about Vista - I don't want it. XP is good. Nearly two
> years now, and no BlueScreens... :)

I've got it as a second boot option on my HP Pavilion.  My first 
experience with it was not good:  I wanted to use the firewire interface 
to pull some programs off of my DVR; had to install an XP driver for it 
and the OS only detected the port as being there half the times I tried.  
I finally got it working after a while.  I turned off UAC, installed VNC, 
disabled Aero, got everything working *perfectly* so I could take the 
machine (sans monitor and keyboard) back to where the TV is, plug it in, 
and access it remotely over the wireless network.

I then shut the machine down and powered it on one last time to make 
*sure* it would do exactly what I wanted.  It did.

So I disconnected it and took it to the back of the house and plugged it 
in.

And I couldn't get to it.  No way, no how.  So, frustrated, I grabbed a 
monitor to see what the dumb thing had done.  You know what?  It reverted 
EVERY SINGLE CHANGE to the user profile I had put in place.  UAC was 
enabled; Aero was enabled.  VNC wouldn't start; the firewall (which I had 
disabled) was active.  It was as if I had just completed the "first boot" 
setup.

If there's one thing that will piss me off about a piece of software more 
than anything, it's the arrogance of programmers who think they know 
better what I want than I do, and then implement something that *undoes* 
every customization I have done so it works the way *I* want it to.

Jim

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Warp wrote:

>   Personally I don't see why anyone would want to "upgrade" right now.

It has SHINY THINGS!!

> Why not wait until it stabilishes enough, and as many software houses as
> possible offer free Vista patches for their software? When in some years
> you are in a situation where you simply *must* "upgrade" because there's
> no other option, then maybe.

That's my plan... [Assuming I can't find a better OS first.]

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In article <47d6da2f$1@news.povray.org>, voi### [at] devnull says...
> Warp wrote:
> 
> >   Personally I don't see why anyone would want to "upgrade" right now.
> 
> It has SHINY THINGS!!
>
They actually want to play the latest games, which MS still won't 
release a XP version of DirectX 10 for? That would be the only damn 
reason I would get it. Kind of a catch-22. Buy an Xbox 360, which costs 
way more than I want to spend (unless its on a laptop), so I can play 
Halo 2 and 3, or rework an older machine to run Vista, so I can at least 
play 2.... Never mind other things that are coming out as well.

Pain in the fracking ass!
 
-- 
void main () {

    if version = "Vista" {
      call slow_by_half();
      call DRM_everything();
    }
    call functional_code();
  }
  else
    call crash_windows();
}

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> And I couldn't get to it.  No way, no how.  So, frustrated, I grabbed a 
> monitor to see what the dumb thing had done.  You know what?  It reverted 
> EVERY SINGLE CHANGE to the user profile I had put in place.  UAC was 
> enabled; Aero was enabled.  VNC wouldn't start; the firewall (which I had 
> disabled) was active.  It was as if I had just completed the "first boot" 
> setup.

You know what?  MS got sick of users (and third-party programmers) not 
liking being told that certain things (like turning off the firewall) 
are dumb ideas and doing them anyways.  So they said heck with it, and 
now you can't "just turn off" things.  You have to do it correctly.

I don't remember where I got this, might've been here, but this entry in 
particular is gold: 
http://shippingseven.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-changes.html

Aero I played with a little for a few days, then switched to classic view.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.digitalartsuk.com

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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> They actually want to play the latest games, which MS still won't 
> release a XP version of DirectX 10 for?

  How many games supporting extra features of DX10 are there? (And how
many of those games run at a reasonable framerate when using those extra
features with current hardware?)

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:58 -0400, Tim Cook wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> And I couldn't get to it.  No way, no how.  So, frustrated, I grabbed a
>> monitor to see what the dumb thing had done.  You know what?  It
>> reverted EVERY SINGLE CHANGE to the user profile I had put in place. 
>> UAC was enabled; Aero was enabled.  VNC wouldn't start; the firewall
>> (which I had disabled) was active.  It was as if I had just completed
>> the "first boot" setup.
> 
> You know what?  MS got sick of users (and third-party programmers) not
> liking being told that certain things (like turning off the firewall)
> are dumb ideas and doing them anyways.  So they said heck with it, and
> now you can't "just turn off" things.  You have to do it correctly.

The problem is that they left the "just turn off" option in there.  And 
it worked.  Once.  I'll grant them that they didn't ask me a million 
times (like they used to) if I was sure that I wanted to do what I was 
doing.

But silently screwing with settings I put in place doesn't make me happy.

> I don't remember where I got this, might've been here, but this entry in
> particular is gold:
> http://shippingseven.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-changes.html
> 
> Aero I played with a little for a few days, then switched to classic
> view.

Same here.  Even on XP, I couldn't get over the "Fisher-Price" look that 
was default on XP.

Jim

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:25:54 -0500, Warp wrote:

> And how
> many of those games run at a reasonable framerate when using those extra
> features with current hardware?

On a so-called "Vista-capable" machine, to boot?

Jim

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> What about Windows Movie Maker?

That's great for what? Converting your digicam's AVI's for YouTube?

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